He Cuts the Checks

[thesmel]

William V. Bidwill


President
College: Georgetown
Hometown: Chicago, IL

William V. Bidwill’s association with the Cardinals began as a child ball boy on Chicago’s South Side and continues today as owner and president.

A native of Chicago, Bill Bidwill presides over the oldest continuously-operated professional football franchise. Founded in 1898, the Cardinals join the Chicago Bears as the only two remaining charter members of the National Football League (1920).

The Cardinals have remained in the Bidwill family since Bill’s father, Charles, a prominent Chicago sports figure and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, purchased the team in 1932. Charles ran the club until his death in the Cardinals’ NFL championship year of 1947.

Charles’ wife, Violet, guided the franchise’s fortunes for the next 15 years, followed jointly by sons Bill and Charles, Jr. (Stormy). Bill became sole owner in 1972.

Named a Cardinal vice president during his undergraduate days at Georgetown University, Bill Bidwill returned to Chicago from the Navy in 1956 to begin assisting family interests that included football. When the Cardinals moved to St. Louis in 1960, Bidwill returned to the organization on a full-time basis.

The 75-year-old Bidwill remains involved in all areas of the Cardinals’ day-to-day operation. He operates the organization in south Tempe, Arizona from its award-winning training facility the team has called home since construction was completed in September, 1990. Of course, in August of 2006 the team begins play in the new state-of-the-art Cardinals Stadium, which will give the 100+ year old franchise its first true home.

Arizona will host its second Super Bowl when the game is played at Cardinals Stadium in February of 2008. Bidwill was credited with his leading role in bringing Super Bowl XXX to Arizona on January 28, 1996. He also was a pivotal voice in Arizona’s original award of Super Bowl XXVII.

An active supporter of various civic and charitable organizations and endeavors, Bidwill directed the formation of Cardinals Charities, the team’s organization dedicated to supporting worthy Arizona causes, shortly after the Cardinals arrived in the state.

Bidwill currently is seated on the NFL Broadcasting Committee as well as the NFL Business Ventures Committee. He is also co-chair of the Board of Trustees for the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Player Benefit Plan.

Bidwill and his wife, Nancy, are the parents of five children and have eight grandchildren.

[booman141]

What is it with you and Bidwell Mel? I defend the guy from time to time but you seem to really, really, really like him...

[Redheart]

I thought they got their money for nothin'...their checks for free.

[thesmel]

What is it with you and Bidwell Mel? I defend the guy from time to time but you seem to really, really, really like him...
I do really like him and support his efforts and always have, I think it's time to give cheers for a job done well after all the grief well forever. 73 years as a Card and nary a chance at the hall of fame unless We all rally now! He understands up from the ashes phoenix tale more than anybody in the world.
I knew it would replay some resentments but we need to heal our difference. besides I believe he's earned his fans respect these last few years. Win Won for the ******. :happy:

[booman141]

I do really like him and support his efforts and always have, I think it's time to give cheers for a job done well after all the grief well forever. 73 years as a Card and nary a chance at the hall of fame unless We all rally now! He understands up from the ashes phoenix tale more than anybody in the world.
I knew it would replay some resentments but we need to heal our difference. besides I believe he's earned his fans respect these last few years. Win Won for the ******. :happy:

I think he's been a good owner, Not the biggest spender in the world but people forget how much of their own money the Cards coughed up for this stadium. I think the final number was close to 200mil. Thats more than any other team in the league has ever put up of their own money. So the man is trying to make amends with the city. Plus, he has just had a lot of bad luck. Buddy ryan, Dave Macginnis, those guys were supposed to be top coaches in the league. Other stuff happened too. How was Billy B supposed to know that Bob Ferguson was a big Racist ******?

[thesmel]

I think he's been a good owner, Not the biggest spender in the world but people forget how much of their own money the Cards coughed up for this stadium. I think the final number was close to 200mil. Thats more than any other team in the league has ever put up of their own money. So the man is trying to make amends with the city. Plus, he has just had a lot of bad luck. Buddy ryan, Dave Macginnis, those guys were supposed to be top coaches in the league. Other stuff happened too. How was Billy B supposed to know that Bob Ferguson was a big Racist ******?
and post crap about Paul Allen might cause a riot:shutup:

:bag: where better to retain a player than in the minds of fans on sunday.

[sharkman]

Thesmel is either ****** himself....or someone who has a man-crush on him...

...either way a little wierd.

Get a room.

[Saturn5]

I think he's been a good owner

Plus, he has just had a lot of bad luck. Buddy ryan, Dave Macginnis, those guys were supposed to be top coaches in the league. Other stuff happened too.

He's been one of the worst in all of sports.

Not because he's cheap, but because he consistently mismanages the team and spends unwisely. Hiring Denny Green is but one in a multitude of bad choices.

Things are looking up now because he's beginning to cede control.

[LouDawg]

I think Bidwell has been a good owner the past few years. He did shell out a ton of money for the new stadium, and the Cards have locked up a lot of their talent early, rather than replaying the whole hold-out game like they used to.

[TnTCardFans]

I don't know much about him because there's not alot of info out there other than what Smel posted that has been rehashed over and over again.

But to me, he's a guy that's steeped in tradition, intensely loyal to a few people that get inside the really small inner circle, doesn't embrace change, not a risk taker, misunderstood (or got bad intel) on the fan base in Phoenix, has had a string of bad luck (on field decisions),is an introvert with extremely limited social skills and might not be the brightest bulb in the box.

None of this makes him the evil, money hungry, slum-lord, land-baron that most people on this board or in the media make him out to be. Just a guy that inherited boat loads of money that appears to wish things were like they were in the 50's and 60's and hasn't abandoned the family business.

Of course all of this is just my opinion cause I, like everyone here, have no way of really knowing how this guy ticks.

[D Birdman]

He's adopted, nuff said.

[native az]

Probably the single most underhanded person in all of sports.

The biography left out that he took his own brother to court to gain full control of the team (brotherly love). Also that he snuck the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night and made a back door deal with the **** politicians here in Phoenix that ended up blowing up in his face (what goes around comes around).

Anyone that admires this **** or thinks he is good is well beyond needing professional help.

[TnTCardFans]

Probably the single most underhanded person in all of sports.

The biography left out that he took his own brother to court to gain full control of the team (brotherly love). Also that he snuck the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night and made a back door deal with the **** politicians here in Phoenix that ended up blowing up in his face (what goes around comes around).

Anyone that admires this **** or thinks he is good is well beyond needing professional help.

Thanks for emphasizing my point about how people take crapola they read in the media and form judgements about peoples character.

Look, I wouldn't consider myself a fan of Bidwill's but I also know that none of us understand his character. And he didn't sneak the franchise out of St. Louis. They knew for years if they didn't pony up a stadium, he was gone.

This may be the first time I've ever seen the Cardinals confused with the Colts, who did sneak out of Baltimore in the middle of the night.

[Big Red]

Probably the single most underhanded person in all of sports.

The biography left out that he took his own brother to court to gain full control of the team (brotherly love). Also that he snuck the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night and made a back door deal with the **** politicians here in Phoenix that ended up blowing up in his face (what goes around comes around).

Anyone that admires this **** or thinks he is good is well beyond needing professional help.

I'm sorry to bump this drivel of a thread, but I couldn't allow this canard to stand. Here is the fact: The brothers Stormy and Bill made an arrangement that one could have the Cardinals and the other the Chicago race tracks, etc. The courts had a role. Stormy did not feel Bill would be able to raise the money to buy the football team, so he gave him first chance. Surprise! Stormy was wrong. Bill raised the money. Bill bought the team. Stormy went away to live a happy life. This was a reasonable transaction between two adults, not some kind of trickery or character flaw.

As for the suggestion that being adopted is somehow indicative of inferiority, that poster is often ridiculous, but this is the first time I have been made to think he might be demented.

I know Bill Bidwill, though I in no way benefit financially by our relationship and don't have or need his help in my work or life. He's a fine person. Those who malign him would be better served by analyzing their projections, instead of trying to scapegoat an honest and loyal person.

[crdnl85]

I'm sorry to bump this drivel of a thread, but I couldn't allow this canard to stand. Here is the fact: The brothers Stormy and Bill made an arrangement that one could have the Cardinals and the other the Chicago race tracks, etc. The courts had a role. Stormy did not feel Bill would be able to raise the money to buy the football team, so he gave him first chance. Surprise! Stormy was wrong. Bill raised the money. Bill bought the team. Stormy went away to live a happy life. This was a reasonable transaction between two adults, not some kind of trickery or character flaw.

As for the suggestion that being adopted is somehow indicative of inferiority, that poster is often ridiculous, but this is the first time I have been made to think he might be demented.

I know Bill Bidwill, though I in no way benefit financially by our relationship and don't have or need his help in my work or life. He's a fine person. Those who malign him would be better served by analyzing their projections, instead of trying to scapegoat an honest and loyal person.Good post,thank you.

[chivasregal]

Billy B. may be a good guy but during the years in St. Louis it was well known that he was the cheapest owner in the NFL and would not cough up the pesos to give the town a winning team. That is obviously good business but very selfish to the fans who spent their hard earned money to watch year after year of disapointments.

In all fairness, he is paying out money now because of the zillions he was given by the state of Arizona to move there, all of the merchandise and stadium money and even though he spent a lot of money on the new stadium, he gets a ton back from all assets and the naming of the stadium.

I can't share your love for the man. He may be a nice guy but he is clueless about running a football team and hiring the right people to do it. If I was in his shoes I too would give money to charities. I would want some goodwill attached to me, especially since most fans in St. Louis and Arizona can't stand him and large donations soften the hatred. Oh, and how much money did he actually pocket last year that should have been spent on buying better players? Only his CPA knows for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions and even if the Cards with the Superbowl in the next couple of years that does not erase the years of frustration by an owner who cared very little aboutthe people who fill his seats. GO BIG RED.

[Big Red]

I agree with Chivas that we should bring back Stump Mitchell. Better yet, Terry Metcalf (the elder).

As for the Cards owner, I don't think he had much to spend in St. Louis. Also, people learn, people grow, people develop. None of us are perfect and how many could stand having an exaggeration of their weaknesses paraded publicly as if it were gospel?

[thesmel]

Billy B. may be a good guy but during the years in St. Louis it was well known that he was the cheapest owner in the NFL and would not cough up the pesos to give the town a winning team. That is obviously good business but very selfish to the fans who spent their hard earned money to watch year after year of disapointments.

In all fairness, he is paying out money now because of the zillions he was given by the state of Arizona to move there, all of the merchandise and stadium money and even though he spent a lot of money on the new stadium, he gets a ton back from all assets and the naming of the stadium.

I can't share your love for the man. He may be a nice guy but he is clueless about running a football team and hiring the right people to do it. If I was in his shoes I too would give money to charities. I would want some goodwill attached to me, especially since most fans in St. Louis and Arizona can't stand him and large donations soften the hatred. Oh, and how much money did he actually pocket last year that should have been spent on buying better players? Only his CPA knows for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions and even if the Cards with the Superbowl in the next couple of years that does not erase the years of frustration by an owner who cared very little aboutthe people who fill his seats. GO BIG RED.

in over 100 years don't just dogg for he didn't give St louis, St louis didn't do it's part either it works both ways like family.

[Fiasco]

Probably the single most underhanded person in all of sports.

The biography left out that he took his own brother to court to gain full control of the team (brotherly love). Also that he snuck the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night and made a back door deal with the **** politicians here in Phoenix that ended up blowing up in his face (what goes around comes around).

Anyone that admires this **** or thinks he is good is well beyond needing professional help.

That is completely rubbish. He didn't sneak the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night.

If you want to make up history, keep it to yourself.

[REO Bandwagon]

I thought they got their money for nothin'...their checks for free.LOL, I think I just had a high school flashback.

[Cards Czar]

That is completely rubbish. He didn't sneak the franchise out of St. Louis in the middle of the night.

If you want to make up history, keep it to yourself.



You are correct that he did not sneek out of St. Louis. He tired for 4 years to get a new stadium in the Lou but the planned area for the stadium was on the city/county line. The bickering between the city and county was a joke. Mr B stated that if they dont get it together he would have to move. They sit on there rear and called his bluff and Mr B got a great offer for AZ and he said seeyaa. The Cardinals did not receive very little money from Busch stadium due to it being owned by the Auggie Busch.


Navy Mike

[desertcoyote62]

Evertone called Biwill cheap for years because he didnt just throw money at the team to fix it well.... The Cards never had stadium revenues to bring in the big bucks every season, now we have a stadium, the highest paid coaching staff, the best S&C coach in the league, a new weight room, etc. It seems to me that maybe he didnt have the money to throw at the team when they were at SDS because now that we have the stadium he's been throwing money at the team left and right to try and build us a winner. Maybe its just me but maybe he didnt have all that money to spend without the stadium revenues and his being cheap was just trying to fit into the money they had the budget for.
:cardinals:

[HAVACARDSFAN]

Evertone called Biwill cheap for years because he didnt just throw money at the team to fix it well.... The Cards never had stadium revenues to bring in the big bucks every season, now we have a stadium, the highest paid coaching staff, the best S&C coach in the league, a new weight room, etc. It seems to me that maybe he didnt have the money to throw at the team when they were at SDS because now that we have the stadium he's been throwing money at the team left and right to try and build us a winner. Maybe its just me but maybe he didnt have all that money to spend without the stadium revenues and his being cheap was just trying to fit into the money they had the budget for.
:cardinals:

And along with all of that, maybe it has something to do with Michael being given more control...:whistle:

[NightHawk11and81]

I do have to say that Bidwill is not a fantastic owner, but he's not a bad one anymore either. He's trying to win, that's all I can ask of him. If he tries, the blame for failure goes on his personnel, and he is then responsible for getting better personnel. I think he did so with Whisenhunt.

Funny thing...even with Bidwill being unbelievably cheap before the Green era, almost all of my Redskin fan friends have told me that they would prefer Bidwill to Snyder as their owner.

[cardinal eric]

I do have to say that Bidwill is not a fantastic owner, but he's not a bad one anymore either. He's trying to win, that's all I can ask of him. If he tries, the blame for failure goes on his personnel, and he is then responsible for getting better personnel. I think he did so with Whisenhunt.

Funny thing...even with Bidwill being unbelievably cheap before the Green era, almost all of my Redskin fan friends have told me that they would prefer Bidwill to Snyder as their owner.

I agree...at least he is trying.I keep tellin people here that things are changing.(here being Okla.)But noone is listening.

[NightHawk11and81]

I agree...at least he is trying.I keep tellin people here that things are changing.(here being Okla.)But noone is listening.

The same holds true in mid-Missouri.

[HAVACARDSFAN]

The same holds true in mid-Missouri.

And Lake Havasu...:banghead:

[D Birdman]

Funny thing...even with Bidwill being unbelievably cheap before the Green era, almost all of my Redskin fan friends have told me that they would prefer Bidwill to Snyder as their owner.


Hahahaha! That's REALLY good. They always say to look at somebody's friends....

[NightHawk11and81]

Funny thing...even with Bidwill being unbelievably cheap before the Green era, almost all of my Redskin fan friends have told me that they would prefer Bidwill to Snyder as their owner.


Hahahaha! That's REALLY good. They always say to look at somebody's friends....

News flash, Birdman: Virginia has Redskins fans. Not sure if you knew that or not. I don't choose my friends based on what team they root for.

[native az]

Any Redskin fan that would rather have Bidwill than Snyder is a *****.

[NightHawk11and81]

Any Redskin fan that would rather have Bidwill than Snyder is a *****.

Trust me, native, you don't know how much these guys hate Snyder. They didn't necessarily believe Bidwill was a better owner, but they knew he was older and therefore wouldn't provide as much suffering. Anytime I was in a discussion with a Redskins fan, I could always say, "Well, my owner's not good, but he's going to die in around 15 years. You've got another 50 years with Snyder." Game, set, and match. With how Bidwill has changed and Snyder still spending stupid money, it's pretty likely that those Redskins fans would now prefer Bidwill for other reasons than age. The majority of Redskins fans, in my area, at least, believe Snyder is one of the worst owners, if not the worst, in the NFL.

[crdnl85]

I agree with Chivas that we should bring back Stump Mitchell. Better yet, Terry Metcalf (the elder).

As for the Cards owner, I don't think he had much to spend in St. Louis. Also, people learn, people grow, people develop. None of us are perfect and how many could stand having an exaggeration of their weaknesses paraded publicly as if it were gospel?I agree,i don't think he had much money to spend in StLouis,or here untill the last few years.Top quality football players expect to get the same money no matter where they play.Without the money coming in that they have now,they couldn't get top quality players,except when they were lucky enough to draft one.Still they had some pretty good teams in the 70s.No one was forced to buy a ticket or go to games.I think if the people over there had spent as much time and energy complaining to the city and county managers,to the media,Mayor,and Govenor to get a stadium,as thay did and still do about Mr Bidwill,they could still have the team.I am glad they didn't though,we may have had the Texans here,with a different name.Or,God forbid the Rams,and their owner.:cardinals: :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:

[HAVACARDSFAN]

Trust me, native, you don't know how much these guys hate Snyder. They didn't necessarily believe Bidwill was a better owner, but they knew he was older and therefore wouldn't provide as much suffering. Anytime I was in a discussion with a Redskins fan, I could always say, "Well, my owner's not good, but he's going to die in around 15 years. You've got another 50 years with Snyder." Game, set, and match. With how Bidwill has changed and Snyder still spending stupid money, it's pretty likely that those Redskins fans would now prefer Bidwill for other reasons than age. The majority of Redskins fans, in my area, at least, believe Snyder is one of the worst owners, if not the worst, in the NFL.

It's not only Redskins fans. I would call Snyder one of the worst owners too. Snyder = :Thumbdown:

[NightHawk11and81]

It's not only Redskins fans. I would call Snyder one of the worst owners too. Snyder = :Thumbdown:

Right there with you. Snyder is the worst owner in the league.

[RipperEagle]

Trust me, native, you don't know how much these guys hate Snyder. They didn't necessarily believe Bidwill was a better owner, but they knew he was older and therefore wouldn't provide as much suffering. Anytime I was in a discussion with a Redskins fan, I could always say, "Well, my owner's not good, but he's going to die in around 15 years. You've got another 50 years with Snyder." Game, set, and match. With how Bidwill has changed and Snyder still spending stupid money, it's pretty likely that those Redskins fans would now prefer Bidwill for other reasons than age. The majority of Redskins fans, in my area, at least, believe Snyder is one of the worst owners, if not the worst, in the NFL.

That's Daniel Snyder.

From signing the old timers like Bruce Smith and Mark Brunell to unproven commodeties like Antwan Randle-El and Brandon Lloyd to mega bucks and for signing and mis-using Andre Carter and Adam Archuleta and soon to be London Fletcher, this team is so full of mistakes no staff full of Joe Gibbs' would be able to reverse there current curse.

I am very proud of my team's ownership and management and would even want Bidwill ahead of Snyder.

I wonder if they consider Jones and Davis shrewed too or not?

[NightHawk11and81]

That's Daniel Snyder.

From signing the old timers like Bruce Smith and Mark Brunell to unproven commodeties like Antwan Randle-El and Brandon Lloyd to mega bucks and for signing and mis-using Andre Carter and Adam Archuleta and soon to be London Fletcher, this team is so full of mistakes no staff full of Joe Gibbs' would be able to reverse there current curse.

I am very proud of my team's ownership and management and would even want Bidwill ahead of Snyder.

I wonder if they consider Jones and Davis shrewed too or not?


Never bothered to ask them, but I would guess they'd feel the same on Davis and I probably couldn't get an unbiased response on Jones.

[crdnl85]

Evertone called Biwill cheap for years because he didnt just throw money at the team to fix it well.... The Cards never had stadium revenues to bring in the big bucks every season, now we have a stadium, the highest paid coaching staff, the best S&C coach in the league, a new weight room, etc. It seems to me that maybe he didnt have the money to throw at the team when they were at SDS because now that we have the stadium he's been throwing money at the team left and right to try and build us a winner. Maybe its just me but maybe he didnt have all that money to spend without the stadium revenues and his being cheap was just trying to fit into the money they had the budget for.
:cardinals:I am glad to see a few people who understands simple things,like you dont spend monry that you don't have,and have no reason to think you will have in the near future.He gave StLouis 26 years,and Arizona almost 18 before we got the stadium bill passed.If i had spent roughly 44 years trying to get for my team,what other states,and cities do for their teams,i probably would have given up and got rid of all of the trouble.I hope his children appreciate the fact that he never gave up.Now they have a franc hise that is on the way to becoming one that they all can be proud of.:cardinals:

[desertcoyote62]

I am glad to see a few people who understands simple things,like you dont spend monry that you don't have,and have no reason to think you will have in the near future.He gave StLouis 26 years,and Arizona almost 18 before we got the stadium bill passed.If i had spent roughly 44 years trying to get for my team,what other states,and cities do for their teams,i probably would have given up and got rid of all of the trouble.I hope his children appreciate the fact that he never gave up.Now they have a franc hise that is on the way to becoming one that they all can be proud of.:cardinals:

Absolutely, and I think that we may make a championship run sometime in the next 5 years as well and I hope that Bill is here to see his team that he struggled for 44 years win it all. I have no complaints about Bidwill everyone said he was cheap but as soon as he got the money to spend he did, we have the highest paid coaches in the league and everyone know that the coaches play comes form the owners cut of the profits, as well as all the cash we threw at Edge last year and the roster bonuses this year to clear cap space for next year, I dont see how anyone can call that being cheap.

[REO Bandwagon]

Any Redskin fan that would rather have Bidwill than Snyder is a *****.I don't know about that, Snyder is just a younger version of Al Davis.

[DUSK884]

I don't know about that, Snyder is just a younger version of Al Davis.

Al Davis was something to behold before the Alzheimers hit. He changed the game on several levels.

[D Birdman]

The Raiders have one of the best winning percentages in the history of the NFL. Dan Snyder spends ALOT of money on players. That is money that he DOES have and he chooses to improve his franchise at any cost, in order to win a superbowl. I ASSURE YOU they will win a super bowl before we do. I'd take an owner who spends money and makes mistakes anyday over a miser who pinches pennies.

[NightHawk11and81]

The Raiders have one of the best winning percentages in the history of the NFL. Dan Snyder spends ALOT of money on players. That is money that he DOES have and he chooses to improve his franchise at any cost, in order to win a superbowl. I ASSURE YOU they will win a super bowl before we do. I'd take an owner who spends money and makes mistakes anyday over a miser who pinches pennies.

You know, of all the people who have told me they believe Snyder will win a Super Bowl...you're the first.

[REO Bandwagon]

Al Davis was something to behold before the Alzheimers hit. He changed the game on several levels.I have to agree with you there.

The Raiders have one of the best winning percentages in the history of the NFL. Dan Snyder spends ALOT of money on players. That is money that he DOES have and he chooses to improve his franchise at any cost, in order to win a superbowl. I ASSURE YOU they will win a super bowl before we do. I'd take an owner who spends money and makes mistakes anyday over a miser who pinches pennies.It's hard to argue with that, but I think that the Cards are on their way, much the same way the Steelers were when they hired Noll in 1969. Every single steeler fan thought the same way that you do right now in 1969. I'm looking forward to Whiz changing the mental make up of this organization.

[NightHawk11and81]

I will say that Davis was at one time a great football mind. Wow, think of how much worse it will get for Washington once Snyder ages!

[D Birdman]

Not as bad as it will be when our boy Michael is running the show, the saga will continue.

[NightHawk11and81]

Not as bad as it will be when our boy Michael is running the show, the saga will continue.

With how the saga has gone in the front office the last four years (counting this one), that's what I'm hoping.

[thesmel]

With how the saga has gone in the front office the last four years (counting this one), that's what I'm hoping.

He's in the lead now aint patients a Cardinal Virtue?
just kidding

With how the saga has gone in the front office the last four years (counting this one), that's what I'm hoping.

He's in the lead now aint patients a Cardinal Virtue?
just kidding

[Fiasco]

He's in the lead now aint patients a Cardinal Virtue?
just kidding

Patients are taken care of by nurses and doctors.

[thesmel]

Patients are taken care of by nurses and doctors.

and What do Trainers take care of? injuries? kidding!

Do you think the Cards are much improved? on the right track? I think it will take time to become consistant in the new offense and the Niners were very much improved also.

Whiz trusted the D over Matt just like he did with the young big ben didn't quite work out the same but very close to a SMUSHDOWN victory.

Back to the thread ****** has turned it over to baby ******, has finally got the stadium monkey off his back and a competitive advantage with the UPS Nest for the first time in over 100 years! Spent the cap and more and planning even more on the indoor training facility.

Stayed Loyal to Graves to a fault and the Michael B. plan thread uncovered something I never heard before
when Bill said he hired good football people but they failed over his presidency. Bill doesn't consider himself a football man.

wearing the owners hat he doesn't regret his hiring decisions and even boasted the Don C., decision! People willl beat the dead horse cheap issue but except for Buddy didn't he always have a GM?

What else does fans want from him NOW? what else falls under the Owners job description that fans recommend.
Is there any chance that Cards fans can rally around the old man or at least his decision to step back if not down?

[toonman6684]

Billy B. may be a good guy but during the years in St. Louis it was well known that he was the cheapest owner in the NFL and would not cough up the pesos to give the town a winning team. That is obviously good business but very selfish to the fans who spent their hard earned money to watch year after year of disapointments.

In all fairness, he is paying out money now because of the zillions he was given by the state of Arizona to move there, all of the merchandise and stadium money and even though he spent a lot of money on the new stadium, he gets a ton back from all assets and the naming of the stadium.

I can't share your love for the man. He may be a nice guy but he is clueless about running a football team and hiring the right people to do it. If I was in his shoes I too would give money to charities. I would want some goodwill attached to me, especially since most fans in St. Louis and Arizona can't stand him and large donations soften the hatred. Oh, and how much money did he actually pocket last year that should have been spent on buying better players? Only his CPA knows for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions and even if the Cards with the Superbowl in the next couple of years that does not erase the years of frustration by an owner who cared very little aboutthe people who fill his seats. GO BIG RED.



It would for me!!!You speak for yourself buddy!!!

[toonman6684]

Evertone called Biwill cheap for years because he didnt just throw money at the team to fix it well.... The Cards never had stadium revenues to bring in the big bucks every season, now we have a stadium, the highest paid coaching staff, the best S&C coach in the league, a new weight room, etc. It seems to me that maybe he didnt have the money to throw at the team when they were at SDS because now that we have the stadium he's been throwing money at the team left and right to try and build us a winner. Maybe its just me but maybe he didnt have all that money to spend without the stadium revenues and his being cheap was just trying to fit into the money they had the budget for.
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You could be(besides myself,of course) one of the most intelligent posters on this board!Good post.

[REO Bandwagon]

I’ve been alive forever,
And I cut the very first check.
I put the words and the melodies together,
I am the owner
And I cut the checks

I cut the checks that make the whole world sing.
I cut the checks of love and special thing s.
I cut the checks that make the young girls cry.
I cut the checks , I cut the checks.

My home lies deep within you,
And I’ve got my own place in your sole.
Now, when I look out through your eyes,
I’m you’g again, even though I’m very old.

Chorus

Oh my music makes you dance
And gives your spirit to take a chance,
And I wrote some rock ’n’ roll so you can move.
Music fills your heart,
Well, that’s a real fine place to start.
It’s from me it’s for you,
It’s from you, it’s from me,
It’s a world wide symphony.

Chorus

I am the owner, and I cut the checks.





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[toonman6684]

The Raiders have one of the best winning percentages in the history of the NFL. Dan Snyder spends ALOT of money on players. That is money that he DOES have and he chooses to improve his franchise at any cost, in order to win a superbowl. I ASSURE YOU they will win a super bowl before we do. I'd take an owner who spends money and makes mistakes anyday over a miser who pinches pennies.



You know what,because noone else will do it and i usually don't stoop to antics like this, but i'm going to CALL YOUR BLUFF on this one and say that the CARDINALS WILL WIN A SUPER BOWL before the Redskins!Now let's sit back and wait and see who's right!

[Tangodnzr]

Thank you BigRed and DesertCoyote62 for providing some actual substantiative facts instead of all this personally biased BS floating around.

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[Derek Tyler]

73 years as a Card and nary a chance at the hall of fame unless We all rally now!

If he hasn't made the HOF after 73 years of trying, your little rally isn't going to be enough to put him over the top, lol.
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