Week 2: O-Line blocking picture analysis

[Fiasco]

Give me a bit here guys and please dont respond to this thread yet. I'm dumping the seattle game to my PC (and then laptop) for some video post processing. This will be about the 6th time I've watched this game. Thankfully the nausea and suspense has passed. The Cardinals still lose the 6th time around :D

I plan on posting pix of all the offensive plays focusing on the offensive line.

This is going to take me some time (HOURS) so please be patient. If I can get a routine to make this more efficient I may go back and do the SF game and upcoming games as well (as time permits).

Thanks

In the meantime, if you don't have it already here's the gamebook from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20060917_ARI@SEA).

[Fiasco]

Play #1:

1st - 10 @ > 47

4 man rush 2 on 2 on the right 3 on 2 on the left

#67 M. Brown blocks no one and just lets the stunting defensive tackle circle the engaged right tackle for a clear shot at Warner

Stepanovich and Wells both stop their assignments cold

Liewinski ole's his assignment

Davis does a dive chuck at the DE's knees and whiffs

Wells A
M Brown F
Stepanovich A
Liwienski D
Davis D

Warner feels the pressure and unloads to his checkdown (James) for 1 yard

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[Fiasco]

Play #2:

2nd - 9 @ > 48

8 men in the box, 2 wr set single back

Wells A
M Brown A
Stepanovich A
Liwienski A+ Jams his guy off the line out of the plan and jams the MLB
Davis F Davis attempts another knee chuck on the SLB and whiffs

The blocking scheme is clearly to create a hole behind Davis and the center through right tackle do their job 100%. Davis whiffs and the SLB jams James in the hole. May be hard to see in the pix but if Davis makes a halfway decent block on the SLB the hole for James is HUGE

James for 1 yard

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[Fiasco]

Play #3:

3rd - 8 @ > 49 shotgun

3 man rush w/ a delayed LB blitz and a further delayed safety blitz (who may have keyed on the bad snap)

Wells A+ Takes a outside speed rush and pushes him to egypt
M Brown B- Holds his man for a few seconds before letting him pass (partially steps fault)
Stepanovich F--- Bad snap, blocks no one and then inexplicably turns and pushes Browns man off of brown letting the blitzing DB come clean for the sack and forced fumble
Liwienski B+ Holds his block then loses his man but re-engages him and pushes him past the pocket
Davis F Davis attempts a half hearted shove on a speed rusher who blows past circles back and helps the DB sack/force fumble

sack + fumble = punt

On the plus side for Step, since he engaged absolutely no one, he was available to dive on the fumble. Good job Step!

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #1:

1st - 10 @ > 27

4 man rush

Wells A+ Blows the outside DE off the play
M Brown F Ole and his man cuts back behind the line and tackles James. His man was in the backfield before James even got the handoff.
Stepanovich B Step and Liwienski engage the DT together (should be step alone)
Liwienski D Engages Steps assignment
Davis D Engages Liwienski's assignment

Davis and Liwienski were one man right of their pickups in a 4 on 5 allowing the MLB to come clean and help Browns assignment finish off James.

James for 2 yards

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #2:

2nd - 8 @ > 29

4 man rush

Wells A+ pushes his guy out of the play
M Brown A Browns got his man under control (help from Step)
Stepanovich C Helps the wrong side and essentially does nothing
Liwienski B pushes his man into Davis forcing Davis to react Davis knocks him to the ground. Liwienski picks up the stunting DE
Davis A pushes Liwienskis man to the ground then turns and pushes the outside rusher into Liwienski. Then turns again and pushes the DT back down onto the ground.

Completion to Boldin @ > 46 yard line

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[pg13]

Wow, I really enjoyed looking at that. Thanks for all the hard work. It's amazing how much more you can see like this. It's also show you how amazing it is to be able to make these snap decisions when it's going full speed and there's no replay/pause button. You and Don...got it goin on!:hurray: :hurray: :redtowel:

[azbmxican]

got more? I'm eating my popcorn and enjoying the laughter at Step messing us up big time.:partytime: :partytime: :partytime:

Except this ain't no party.:Censored:

[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #3:

1st - 10 @ > 46

4 man rush LDE/DT stunt

Wells A+ pushes his guy out of the play (yet again)
M Brown F Oles his man and then turns up field like it didn't happen
Stepanovich F Blocks no one
Liwienski B engages his man but stunting DE hits him inside to free the DT
Davis F Backs off the LOS and gives the stunting DE a clear shot at Liwienski to free the DT. Davis follows the stunting DE and steps behind the Center and lets the newly freed DT cross right under his nose but James picks him up.

incomplete screen to James - Warner hit on the play

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[az602]

this is like watching a slo-mo train wreck with full explanations...
Great job!!!
You should be coaching these guys, you definitely have my recommendation

:partybirthday: :redtowel: :Cards logo:

[BodybuildingCardsFan]

So far Wells is doing well, Milford Brown sucks, Stepanovich sucks, Liwienski is average, and Davis sucks.

Maybe Wells is our best linemen? Oy...

[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #4:

2nd - 10 @ > 46

4 man rush

This play really shows what kind of vision that James has because he alters his angle as soon as he recognize that Brown has screwed up yet again. The DT/DE pairs split and attack the edges leaving Brown and Liwienski open to block downfield.

Wells A+ pushes his guy out of the play (yet again) yes thats right, again.
M Brown D+ Brown engages Steps man and doesn't release soon enough. Should have released after Step engaged and attacked the MLB deep in the gaping hole instead of at the LOS.
Stepanovich C+ Grabs his man and stifles him at the point of attack but pushes him towards the hole instead of away.
Liwienski F Engages no one when the middle is open and the MLB and SLB are right in front of him
Davis A Davis and Bergen combine to keep the LDE/DT from pushing down the line towards the hole.

There is a huge hole for Edge to run through on the right side but Brown's failure to release and engage the MLB causes James to try to cut back behind Bergen and Davis who have locked out their men.

James picks up 5 yards but Davis is called for holding. From the angle I have it looks like a BS call as Davis got his mans sideways and rode him to the ground.

This is really unfortunate because James had two great options on this run. He had the counter (which he took) that got him five yards because Davis got his man and Bergen did an excellent job capping the DE to the inside. His best hole was between Brown and Wells which was absolutely gaping. Had Brown released sooner and attacked the LB it would have been a huge gain because James would have got the outside w/ daylight and a big physical receiver right in front of him engaging the WLB forcing him inside. Look at picture #4. Look at that hole, now picture Brown having released his man to step and moving down field and getting outside on the MLB and pushing him back to the inside.

That would have been a HUGE run for James.

Just look at Liwienski (I'm not going to bother trying to get his name right anymore). He lets both LB's waltz right past him.

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #5:

2nd - 20 @ > 36

4 man rush

This play really shows what kind of vision that James has because he alters his angle as soon as he recognize that Brown has screwed up yet again. The DT/DE pairs split and attack the edges leaving Brown and Liwienski open to block downfield.

Wells A+ chucks his guy low and sends him sprawling
M Brown D+ Step and Brown engage the same DT and push him out of the play. Brown w/ help still lets himself be pushed back almost into Warner
Stepanovich C (see above)
Liwienski F DT pushes him five yards back in a heartbeat forcing Warner to unload
Davis C+ Chuck block low that only sprawls the DE for a moment. He's back up in a snap but fortunately Warner already felt the pressure from Lew Lew's man and unloaded on a quick slant

Pass to boldin, quick slant to > 46 yard line (ten yards)

Personal foul, elbow to Boldins head + 15 yards on the play.

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #6:

1st - 10 @ < 39

4 man rush

Again, this is an opportunity for a nice run from James blown by piss poor blocking. It's a darn shame cause a second or two into the play everyone is getting an A.

Wells A+ Lets the DE come free (by design) and locks up the DT
M Brown D Browns job is to release and engage the MLB. He does this but pushes him directly in the direction of the run instead of away
Stepanovich B+ Step and Lew Lew engage the other DT. Lew's job is to push the DT away from the play and then engage the SLB. Step holds his man in check for what should have been long enough.
Liwienski F A+ helping Step push his man outside F for pushing the SLB directly into position to make the tackle.
Davis A+ Grabs his man and eliminates him 100%

James for 3 yards

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #7:

2nd - 7 @ < 36

8 in the box, WR bunch. This is a toss to Wells/Browns side.

WR's were really relied upon in this play to cap the LOS to get James the Edge. Much as I love Boldin, he didn't hold his block long enough (he was jammed up amongst the bigguns in the LOS to his credit though)


Wells A Gets his man out of the play
M Brown F Pulls to run in front of james and take out the first guy who threatens... he picks the wrong man and whiffs.
Stepanovich F Promptly tries to block someones ankles from the prone position
Liwienski F Blocks no one. I mean he literally touches no one.
Davis no grade - This play is designed away from Davis and he didn't have much if any responsibility here.

James for 3 yards

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[Fiasco]

Drive 2 Play #8: 50% WARNERS FAULT

3rd - 4 @ < 34

6 in the box. 5 man blitz


Wells A Gets his man out of the play (AGAIN)
M Brown A Keeps his man out of the play.
Stepanovich D Gets pushed off the LOS like a punk and compresses the pocket possibly forcing Warner to throw faster then he wanted
Liwienski no grade Didn't have to do much as his man tried to stunt behind the RDE/RDT
Davis C+ Chucked his man long enough for warner to pass but had Step held his ground, Davis man would have gotten to warner momentarily.

Incomplete to Boldin. Leads to the first Rackers missed FG.

Look at Pope

Look at the midfield ref run up and play DB for seattle. He literally runs right up and takes that route away from Warner.

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[Fiasco]

OK, thats just to much darn work.

Right now I'm rewatching and just watching Wells only at RT.

He finally messed up on 1st and 10 w/ 2:28 left in the 2nd. Seattle stunted and he let his man get inside. This is largely James fault since he whiffed on the blitz pickup and let the man come free.

I'll scrub the second half tomorrow but based on the first half play against Seattle, Reggie Wells is our best offensive lineman.

[BodybuildingCardsFan]

I'll scrub the second half tomorrow but based on the first half play against Seattle, Reggie Wells is our best offensive lineman.

That's scary since that was his first time ever at RT.

It goes to show that our "great FA pickup" Milford Brown sucks, Liwienski sucks, Davis is only there half the time, and Stepanovich blows total ***.

[Fiasco]

rades by play

Wells A A A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A A
Brown F A B- F A F D+ D+ D F A
Step A A F--- B C F C+ C B+ F D
Lewlew D A+ B+ D B B F F A+ F N/A
Davis D F F D A F A C+ A+ N/A C+

[Spider TX]

Dude, seriously stop trying to act like an NFL coach and just be a fan. Half of you people on this board spend way to much time looking into all this junk like you know something the coaches do not.

:topic:

[Fiasco]

Yes, we should all try to examine the team less and just give uninformed opinions.

[Spider TX]

All i said was quit acting like a know it all coach, because you are not one, and they are. If you could do better, you would probably be out there doing their jobs and then your time wouldn't be wasted, but you can not do better.

[BodybuildingCardsFan]

All i said was quit acting like a know it all coach, because you are not one, and they are. If you could do better, you would probably be out there doing their jobs and then your time wouldn't be wasted, but you can not do better.

I would wager money there are in fact fans that can do the job better than some coaches. There isn't a doubt in my mind.

However, you have to know people in the NFL to work in the NFL, otherwise you can't get in.

I, personall, applaud his efforts. They're great, and provide insight into our biggest problem (OL).

[Spider TX]

Know it all fans....AWESOME!!!

[Fiasco]

Know it all? Based on this thread?

I took the tape, scrubbed it, extracted stills and gave my opinion on each players performance per play. A guy either makes his assignment or doesn't.

Try attacking the post content on it's merits instead of wimping out and attacking the poster eh?

Apparently someone liked the thread enough to 5 star it...

[Halef]

Don't worry about it. I think you did an awesome job. :thumbsup:

[Fiasco]

Don't worry about it. I think you did an awesome job. :thumbsup:

I knew we had fans in Australia and the UK. Didn't know we had some in Germany too, sweet!

[VACardsFan74]

Drive 2 Play #1:

1st - 10 @ > 27

4 man rush

Wells A+ Blows the outside DE off the play
M Brown F Ole and his man cuts back behind the line and tackles James. His man was in the backfield before James even got the handoff.
Stepanovich B Step and Liwienski engage the DT together (should be step alone)
Liwienski D Engages Steps assignment
Davis D Engages Liwienski's assignment

Davis and Liwienski were one man right of their pickups in a 4 on 5 allowing the MLB to come clean and help Browns assignment finish off James.

James for 2 yards

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This was a perfect play for PLAY ACTION out of the single back set...you see in the pictures above over-pursuit...not mention the OLB at the top of the screen cheating right to pick up the run..and is supposedly covering the slot WR also(nobody in the picture!)..looks like Walters I'm guessing...send him straight down the field, fake to Edge, roll right, and BOOM..touchdown...or at least a gainer better than a yard....

[DennisGreenFan]

Great posting, and very educational.

As long as readers remember that hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

Go Cards!!

:Cards logo: :smallfootball:

[Northern Soul]

I found all that fascinating.
Its nice to see that at least one Lineman is playing consistently well. I'd assumed they were all struggling. Its also good to see that they all can do good jobs, but are lacking consistancy. Could this consistancy improve? I'd say (again) only if they are supported by the coaching team, and left to play a decent number of games in one position. As the season progresses they should then be acting more and more on instinct rather than taking a second to clarify what the scheme is.

[Cards Czar]

Know it all? Based on this thread?

I took the tape, scrubbed it, extracted stills and gave my opinion on each players performance per play. A guy either makes his assignment or doesn't.

Try attacking the post content on it's merits instead of wimping out and attacking the poster eh?

Apparently someone liked the thread enough to 5 star it...



Fiasco dont worry about it. He is jelious because you can do it and he cant!!


Great Job!!

[Darth Llama]

Fiasco,

Not only did you do a killer job.. but you're helping alot of us learn some stuff about line blocking that we didn't know before.

I for one would appreciate it if you would keep it up.

[VACardsFan74]

Fiasco,

Not only did you do a killer job.. but you're helping alot of us learn some stuff about line blocking that we didn't know before.

I for one would appreciate it if you would keep it up.

Yes, great job..thanks for taking the time.

[VACardsFan74]

Great posting, and very educational.

As long as readers remember that hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

Go Cards!!

:Cards logo: :smallfootball:

Everyone knows what hindsight is, DGF...and it's always clearer with those who see this sitting on their hind-quarters...but that's why coaches review the game film afterwards ALSO...so that hopefully they can see what we're seeing too and correct it.

[Lazy85249]

Fiasco,

Not only did you do a killer job . . . I for one would appreciate it if you would keep it up.
I agree 100%. Fiasco, thank you for all the work and the analysis. Great posts!

[DennisGreenFan]

Everyone knows what hindsight is, DGF...and it's always clearer with those who see this sitting on their hind-quarters...but that's why coaches review the game film afterwards ALSO...so that hopefully they can see what we're seeing too and correct it.

Well, I would most certainly hope that, at the minimum, the coaches already know what Fiasco knows, and more. Otherwise, they would have no business coaching. And if it is the computer/film break-down thingy they do not know, they can always hire someone to do it for them, easily, of course.

Go Cards!!!!

:Cards logo:

[Flash]

Fiasco

I have been on this board for a very long time. This is one of the best threads I have ever seen. Great Job!

My main concern now is that it looks like we have one excellent player in Wells.

But what about LEW, STEP, DAVIS and BROWN? Should we consider plugging in Duece, E. Brown, Leckey, Gorin, Ross in any of their places. I am curious as to how Ross would have faired had we kept Wells at LG and Ross at RT. Also, I wonder if Duece may have or eventually play better than Lew at LG?

[jbroi]

Love it! Thanks for the work Fiasco.

[BigDinGlenDale]

Beautiful thread Fiasco. Oh...SpiderTX...shut up. He has done a brilliant job breaking this down...now if only Green would check the BBS every now and then.:thumbsup:

[CardsFanJoe]

Great job Fiasco. NOW we know why Wells played RT and he gets moved around. I'm glad we resigned him. Maybe....

LT - WELLS
LG - BIG
C - STEP, I guess
RG - LIEWINSKI
RT - ROSS, when ready

although it may be too late to move Big back, I don't know....

[CardsFanJoe]

After thinking about it, I think maybe some of the line shuffling is for Loney to see these guys in game action. I know he has film from last year, but we have new guys here along with Edge. Maybe he needed a game or two cuz youknow he breaks it down like this also. Maybe we'll see a set lineup soon and improvement.......I hope..

[jbroi]

After thinking about it, I think maybe some of the line shuffling is for Loney to see these guys in game action. I know he has film from last year, but we have new guys here along with Edge. Maybe he needed a game or two cuz youknow he breaks it down like this also. Maybe we'll see a set lineup soon and improvement.......I hope..
Yeah, one with big at guard. Perhaps Wells can suffice at left tackle.

[Big D]

Awesome job Fiasco! Like Flash I have been on the MB for a long time and this is one of the best threads I've ever seen. Off-sets the ridiculous nonsense threads from wc and others so it's much appreciated man!

[EuroCard]

Dude, seriously stop trying to act like an NFL coach and just be a fan. Half of you people on this board spend way to much time looking into all this junk like you know something the coaches do not.

Thanks for your insight into this review; whilst your comments have added absolutely nothing to the discussion I respect your right to make yourself look foolish. Now please go and join and joiin the rest of the children in the sandpit.

Thanks

[veetel]

Fiasco's hit one out of the ballpark. We all talk about how horrid our o line is, but Fiasco uses visual aids and makes it plain for all to see. Thanks Fiasco!

[EuroCard]

Great post Fiasco, keep up the good work.

[Spider TX]

All I say is this guy posts all this like he knows something the Cardinals coaching staff doesn't. He wants to gives his opinions about play and all, thats cool and all, but it's time to stop acting like him or anyone else on these boards knows more about all this and is more informed than the guys being paid to know it.

[Oaken1]

All I say is this guy posts all this like he knows something the Cardinals coaching staff doesn't. He wants to gives his opinions about play and all, thats cool and all, but it's time to stop acting like him or anyone else on these boards knows more about all this and is more informed than the guys being paid to know it.



Just because they are being paid to know it does not mean they are doing their jobs.

[BigDinGlenDale]

All I say is this guy posts all this like he knows something the Cardinals coaching staff doesn't. He wants to gives his opinions about play and all, thats cool and all, but it's time to stop acting like him or anyone else on these boards knows more about all this and is more informed than the guys being paid to know it.

Dude. All he's doing is breaking down the plays of the line which is something any high school football player can do. Hell, they do it on Sportscenter all the time. You can't argue with the truth unless you are blind...so are you?

[Spider TX]

Like I said, no issues with him breaking some stuff down, but to act like he is very knowledgeable in all this, and like he knows more than people being paid to do it is kind of ridiculous. He's a fan, that's all, just like the rest of us.

[Oaken1]

Like I said, no issues with him breaking some stuff down, but to act like he is very knowledgeable in all this, and like he knows more than people being paid to do it is kind of ridiculous. He's a fan, that's all, just like the rest of us.



What makes you so sure "All the rest of us" are JUST fans??

[Spider TX]

Of this particular team, we are all JUST fans.

[St Craig]

Fiasco, you regularly mention Reggie blocking his man out of the screen.

Do you think that this reflects the fact that Wells is a good lineman overall, or is it indicative of him being more suited to tackle than guard?

[VACardsFan74]

Well, I would most certainly hope that, at the minimum, the coaches already know what Fiasco knows, and more. Otherwise, they would have no business coaching. And if it is the computer/film break-down thingy they do not know, they can always hire someone to do it for them, easily, of course.

Go Cards!!!!

:Cards logo:

One WOULD hope...yes...that they have the playcalling down pat...I see holes in it though...but that's just me...a mere FAN....

[BigDinGlenDale]

Fiasco, you regularly mention Reggie blocking his man out of the screen.

Do you think that this reflects the fact that Wells is a good lineman overall, or is it indicative of him being more suited to tackle than guard?

IMO, I know you didn't ask it but I'm giving it anyway. I always wanted Wells to play either C or LT because of how well he has played at those positions.

Something to remember folks, they talked about in the offseason of Ross possibly moving to guard because he's played there before. If they deem that Wells has played good enough at RT, we could see Ross move to guard. However I would like to see Deuce sometime this season if we are still sucking it up.

[Fiasco]

Fiasco, you regularly mention Reggie blocking his man out of the screen.

Do you think that this reflects the fact that Wells is a good lineman overall, or is it indicative of him being more suited to tackle than guard?

Reggie is physically strong and athletic and judging by his play in what I reviewed (albiet only 2 quarters of one game) he has alot more heart then the rest of the line.

I think our O-L problems are more about heart and discipline then talent.

Look at all the plays where an offensive lineman engages no one. If you're free and theres a defender downfield in front of you (and it's not a pass play, don't want to be inelgible downfield) get to him and get in his grill. Even if it is away from the play you can wear down a defense being aggressive like that. It just seemed to me that once a player blew his assignment he felt his responsiblity was over and would just letup.

As far as mixed assignments, that *should* get better if the same guys play the same positions for 6 or 7 games in a row. They can each learn what to expect from each other without having to communicate it.

Hopefully Loney instills some discipline.

[Fiasco]

IMO, I know you didn't ask it but I'm giving it anyway. I always wanted Wells to play either C or LT because of how well he has played at those positions.

Something to remember folks, they talked about in the offseason of Ross possibly moving to guard because he's played there before. If they deem that Wells has played good enough at RT, we could see Ross move to guard. However I would like to see Deuce sometime this season if we are still sucking it up.

If Ross can play gaurd then by all means leave Wells at RT, Ross at RG.

[TucsonCardsFan]

Fiasco, Wow. Nice work. I will admit, It was a little depressing, but still quite informative. :yourock: :clapping: :thumbsup:

[Fiasco]

Like I said, no issues with him breaking some stuff down, but to act like he is very knowledgeable in all this, and like he knows more than people being paid to do it is kind of ridiculous. He's a fan, that's all, just like the rest of us.

To my knowledge, there are no Cards coaching staff personel on the board. You don't have to be that knowledgeable to scrub a game tape and see where the mistakes were. It's time consuming but it's easy.

All I did was "breaking some stuff down" in this thread so obviously you do have issues with it.

As for this

and like he knows more than people being paid to do it is kind of ridiculous

I guess I better throw my BBQ away because I could never compete cooking a burger with those paid employees at McDonalds who do it for a living....

[DennisGreenFan]

All I say is this guy posts all this like he knows something the Cardinals coaching staff doesn't. He wants to gives his opinions about play and all, thats cool and all, but it's time to stop acting like him or anyone else on these boards knows more about all this and is more informed than the guys being paid to know it.

I believe you also make a great point, and I agree with you that the coaches would be familiar with the type of analysis Fiasco has produced here. It would be ridiculous to think otherwise.

However, for the average Fan who may frequent this MB, it is a great learning experience to have action in the trenches, which is usually lost in the shuffle and fast flow of the game on Sunday, so logically and colorfully dissected in sequence. For example, this clearly illustrates why the Cardinals Coaches have been saying all along that Reggie Wells is the best OLineman on the team, an assertion which seemed to at least mildly surprise quite a few members of this MB when it was made.... which is also further proof of the point you are making; to wit, the coaches already know what they are doing and/or what they have in the way of the quality, or lack of same, of available talent.

Go Cards!!

:Cards logo:

[Spider TX]

Hey, like i said a little earlier, this is cool as a whole, and maybe I'm taking this out on Fiasco far to much, but there are far to many people on this message board who think they know something that the coaches do not, and continuously try to say so. If I came to hard on Fiasco here, then for that, I apologize, but for a while in this thread, it just appeared that he was one of them. When perhaps he is just an extremely passionate fan trying to show others what he has taken the time to do. That does not change the fact there there are still quite a few people on this baord who think they know it all.

[DennisGreenFan]

One WOULD hope...yes...that they have the playcalling down pat...I see holes in it though...but that's just me...a mere FAN....


Well, after the play fails, or on Monday morning, most mere Fans usually have all the answers down pat on what plays shoulda, coulda, etc. .... the point both you and I were trying to make earlier on under this thread

:lollollol:

[Fiasco]

Hey, like i said a little earlier, this is cool as a whole, and maybe I'm taking this out on Fiasco far to much, but there are far to many people on this message board who think they know something that the coaches do not, and continuously try to say so. If I came to hard on Fiasco here, then for that, I apologize, but for a while in this thread, it just appeared that he was one of them. When perhaps he is just an extremely passionate fan trying to show others what he has taken the time to do. That does not change the fact there there are still quite a few people on this baord who think they know it all.


Thanks Spider,

This isn't for the coaches. It's for the peeps here on the board who may not have Sunday Ticket or the 30 Minute Shortcuts and a way to scrub video like I do.

And for the record, I can't cook better then McDonalds... but my wife can :biggrin:

I guess I better hold off on my dissertation on the Fiascoast offense :biggrin:

[Spider TX]

I also think that the more serious problem with this team is the defense, and not so much the offensive line. While the line play hasn't been great, they are moving the ball, and over 300 yards both weeks, but the defense is allowing to many big plays through two games, and that will be more reason for losses than the O-Line more often than not.

[Mibrilane #56]

Hey, like i said a little earlier, this is cool as a whole, and maybe I'm taking this out on Fiasco far to much, but there are far to many people on this message board who think they know something that the coaches do not, and continuously try to say so. If I came to hard on Fiasco here, then for that, I apologize, but for a while in this thread, it just appeared that he was one of them. When perhaps he is just an extremely passionate fan trying to show others what he has taken the time to do. That does not change the fact there there are still quite a few people on this baord who think they know it all.
Some fans, by the way, are incredibly knowledgable about football. Some are even high school coaches and such. To make a blanket statement that people here can't or don't know as much as the "professionals" is just being ignorant - you have no way of verifying that to be true.

I myself am only semi-knowledgable (but opinionated) about football, so I welcome this kind of thoughtful analysis by other fans. Good job, Fiasco. :ok:

[Tucson]

I also think that the more serious problem with this team is the defense, and not so much the offensive line. While the line play hasn't been great, they are moving the ball, and over 300 yards both weeks, but the defense is allowing to many big plays through two games, and that will be more reason for losses than the O-Line more often than not.

256 is over 300?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20060917_ARI@SEA

[Fiasco]

I also think that the more serious problem with this team is the defense, and not so much the offensive line. While the line play hasn't been great, they are moving the ball, and over 300 yards both weeks, but the defense is allowing to many big plays through two games, and that will be more reason for losses than the O-Line more often than not.

Our D has been overmatched twice now and it is scary. It shouldn't take until the 3rd quarter for the defense to settle down. I imagine our defense would look alot better if they played w/ more discipline (penalties).

Someone should look up how many yards that the defense gave up after giving up a drive extending penalty (3rd or 4th down w/ the play not producing a 1st down before the penalty).

[Spider TX]

I didnt factor in sack yardage lost, just looked at passing yards and rushing yards at a glance, and looked near 300, my bad. The big plays given up on defense though seems to be biggest issue.

[Tucson]

I didnt factor in sack yardage lost, just looked at passing yards and rushing yards at a glance, and looked near 300, my bad. The big plays given up on defense though seems to be biggest issue.

I commend you. You could have said, "I meant the average," since it is true that they have averaged 300+ over 2 games. But you didn't. Nice job.

[Oaken1]

IMO the two most glaring weaknesses with this team are linked together.
Game preparation
Halftime adjustments

The team is never ready to play at the opening snap, takes a quarter or so to settle down. This is due to improper game prep.

Halftime adjustments look to be non-existant for this team over the past few years. Not only do they NOT capitolize on what is working, but neither do they remove those plays which have been getting consistently stuffed.

The defense giving up big plays is related to both these issues.

[Spider TX]

Yeah yeah, I meant the average. No, it was just a mistake, I looked at the yards by Warner and James, and put together, and it was just under 300, forgot about sack yardage.

[Cards Czar]

All I say is this guy posts all this like he knows something the Cardinals coaching staff doesn't. He wants to gives his opinions about play and all, thats cool and all, but it's time to stop acting like him or anyone else on these boards knows more about all this and is more informed than the guys being paid to know it.



Then How come we can pick out what is going on and the Coaching staff CANT. How do you know if Fiasco hasnt been a coach before. There are some HS and college coaches and ex-players on this board so Do say that he does or he doesnt know. Just enjoy that he went to all the trouble to do that!!

[Spider TX]

First, I already apologized for jumping down his throat. And second, i'm pretty sure the coaching staff can pick it out as well, but the players must execute.

[Tucson]

Then How come we can pick out what is going on and the Coaching staff CANT.

Who says they can't and don't? They can coach until they're blue in the face, but they can't execute the blocks for the players.

[card fan in ohio]

I just wanted to say I think the time and effort you took to break this down was awesome. I am just a fan and this is one of the best threads I have seen. Thanks again :Cards logo:

[VACardsFan74]

Well, after the play fails, or on Monday morning, most mere Fans usually have all the answers down pat on what plays shoulda, coulda, etc. .... the point both you and I were trying to make earlier on under this thread

:lollollol:

I'm sure there are quite few coaches that do the same thing on Monday mornings that we're doing...and their hindsight is 20/20 also...all I am saying is that we fans shouldn't be having this conversation in Week 6 about what could and should have been run, called, blocked...stampeded...hurdled(or HURLED, either one), etc....we're just hoping they have learned to adjust to the other teams' attack on our weaknessES...the plural be the operative syllable...

[Red Army]

Wow Fiasco! That was totally AWESOME! This has my vote for best thread EVER! It is truly refreshing to get some real reporting of what is going on with the team through detailed analysis like this versus the all too common threads about everybody's predictions of what thay think our team is going to do based on some b.s. reasons. It is hard to key in on the o-line in real time because there are just so many bodies flying around all at once. This is a great way to slow it all down and really evaluate what happened. Thanks for all the hard work you put in to this, I can see alot of the other posters agree that this was super cool. Good job!

[MamaMia]

Thanks Fiasco. As a chick, I have to focus on makeup and shoes too much to really educate myself on ALL the blocks and plays. And my Mr. just loses patience with me. You did a nice job covering the details.

[lacardsfan]

Thank you for all your hard work, I can't stop reading this thread!!!:Cards logo: :redtowel:

[Gavincible]

thanx for sharing with us, that must have taken a really long time to finish! It's a shame that the free-agent linemen that we picked up this year haven't been "impact" players-but rather rejects from their former teams. We got Milford Brown, Brandon Gorin and Chris Liewinski. They're probably excellent backups at best! Thank God we gave Reggie Wells his money! We would be really screwed if we didn't have him! He should play Left Tackle and Davis should play left guard! Maybe Leckey should start at Center and Deuce can play right guard!

[madrussianfan]

great analysis fiasco!

provides insight into the line issues.

:Cards logo:

[DennisGreenFan]

IMO the two most glaring weaknesses with this team are linked together.
Game preparation
Halftime adjustments

The team is never ready to play at the opening snap, takes a quarter or so to settle down. This is due to improper game prep.

Halftime adjustments look to be non-existant for this team over the past few years. Not only do they NOT capitolize on what is working, but neither do they remove those plays which have been getting consistently stuffed.

The defense giving up big plays is related to both these issues.


Actually, I was thinking about this issue during the early stages of the Seahawks game when the Cards looked like they were about to be blown out of the water and thoroughly humiliated. However, to my pleasant surprise, I thought that they (especially the Defense) adjusted quite well and started to turn the tide, all the way up until that beautiful touchdown pass to BJ. Unfortunately, I lost the power to my house right after that touchdown and, sadly, was unable to see the rest of the game. So, I can't speak to that part.

Go Cards!!

:Cards logo:

[Nate + cards 4 life]

That's scary since that was his first time ever at RT.

It goes to show that our "great FA pickup" Milford Brown sucks, Liwienski sucks, Davis is only there half the time, and Stepanovich blows total ***.****, if I don,t agree, this is pitiful, Denver gets linemen from FA,s from off the street, and spend maybe 10 mil on the whole set. We tie up 20, 25 Mil, for blown assignments, stupid penalties, and all around ******** play. Except for Wells, of coarse. Leave him at RT. Big, why are you trying to dive block anyone? Lock on and push his *** into the Endzone.

[DennisGreenFan]

Then How come we can pick out what is going on and the Coaching staff CANT. How do you know if Fiasco hasnt been a coach before. There are some HS and college coaches and ex-players on this board so Do say that he does or he doesnt know. Just enjoy that he went to all the trouble to do that!!

Well, how do you yourself know that the Coaches cannot pick up what is going on? Just because some problems are not being resolved does not necessarily mean that they are not aware that those problems exist.

As some wise Guy once said, you can't shine *****..... you may find all the flaws you want, if you don't have the wherewithal to fix those flaws, you can analyze all you want, it means diddlysquat.

Case in point: this Walter Jones Guy apparently has a way of consistently neutralizing Bert Berry of the Cards, to put things diplomatically. This means that, whenever those two teams meet, more likely than not, Berry, with all his skills, is going to be a non-factor. Period.

Some teams are simply better than others, which they can make to look bad. Give credit to the Seahawks for taking the Cards to school, at least early on in the game.

Go Cards!!!

:Cards logo: :football:

[BullheadCardFan]

IMO the two most glaring weaknesses with this team are linked together.
Game preparation
Halftime adjustments

The team is never ready to play at the opening snap, takes a quarter or so to settle down. This is due to improper game prep.

Halftime adjustments look to be non-existant for this team over the past few years. Not only do they NOT capitolize on what is working, but neither do they remove those plays which have been getting consistently stuffed.

The defense giving up big plays is related to both these issues.
Good post ... I agree with you on this ...

[BERTRAND #92]

As if we didn't see it enough every Sunday now we get a detail breakdown on why the oline is failing. Thanks Fiasco, you just made my day. You da man :thumbsup:

[GoBigRed]

Know it all fans....AWESOME!!!

So who is on top? You, or "The Wild Cards"?

[KidStallyn]

Awesome post man! :A+ for Fiasco!

[Legend of Gunny]

Probably the best analysis I've ever read!

Fiasco.... Great post!!!

[Cardz81]

Amazing job, thank you. Much appreciated.

Think you could send this to Denny? I hope they are doing as much work as you did.

:Cards logo:

[BERTRAND #92]

Amazing job, thank you. Much appreciated.

Think you could send this to Denny? I hope they are doing as much work as you did.

:Cards logo:

Im sure if everyone on this board really knew how much time the entire staff worked on these types of things this thread probably wouldn't excist.

[Cardz81]

Im sure if everyone on this board really knew how much time the entire staff worked on these types of things this thread probably wouldn't excist.

I know. I was just joking around about that part. It's just so frustrating that this doesn't get fixed. Not that I could do a better job.

The OL is this teams Achilles Heal for sure.

:Cards logo:

[Saturn5]

Fiasco, you regularly mention Reggie blocking his man out of the screen.

Do you think that this reflects the fact that Wells is a good lineman overall, or is it indicative of him being more suited to tackle than guard?

Wells is probably the most agile and flexible of all the lineman we have. Those 2 attributes lend themselves greatly to the LT position. Why Denny doesn't see this is anyone's guess, but keeping the line as is, asks for repeat performances like we saw in Java land last Sunday.

Keep up the great work Fiasco. Tango was doing a play by play analysis for a while too. Perhaps you can collaborate to lighten the workload.

[Saturn5]

Well, how do you yourself know that the Coaches cannot pick up what is going on? Just because some problems are not being resolved does not necessarily mean that they are not aware that those problems exist.

As some wise Guy once said, you can't shine *****..... you may find all the flaws you want, if you don't have the wherewithal to fix those flaws, you can analyze all you want, it means diddlysquat.

Case in point: this Walter Jones Guy apparently has a way of consistently neutralizing Bert Berry of the Cards, to put things diplomatically. This means that, whenever those two teams meet, more likely than not, Berry, with all his skills, is going to be a non-factor. Period.

Some teams are simply better than others, which they can make to look bad. Give credit to the Seahawks for taking the Cards to school, at least early on in the game.

Go Cards!!!



And then again some teams that are not neccessarily more talented, simply prepare better than other teams.

Berry being neutralized by Walter Jones is absolutely no excuse. That's where stunting and swapping DE's to keep the offense off balance is essential.

Big on the other hand gets routinely beaten by various DE's and LBer's in the same game and seems to fail week after week. Therefore he is more than likely not suited to play LT and should be moved to guard where his skill set is more appropriate.

[ARZCardinals]

Fiasco-

I would not be surprised to see if your posting here made it to the team meeting.

You show proof of what you speak....this is an awesome post, by far the most useful post ever on this board.

Thanks!

from this I learned...

Wells is the man
the rest suck D.:eek:

[Tucson]

Fiasco-

I would not be surprised to see if your posting here made it to the team meeting.



C'mon now, teams have this stuff available DURING the game. What Fiasco did is a great service to the fans, but that's as far as it goes.

[Saturn5]

Which makes denny's reluctance to move big back to guard that much more frustrating.

Most of us are able to clearly identify his weaknesses at LT and they are many and consistent.

The only conclusion anyone can come to is denny is simply not willing to admit he's wrong. His won reluctance to resign big to a new contract is hopefully a sign that he himself realizes big is not a LT. If the Cardinals are really smart they would move big to guard, resign him at the salary of a starting guard and save millions in slalry cap money this year. Meanwhile move Wells to LT and back him up with Lutui and let the best player kep the job. I for one, believe Wells could play reasonbly well at that position for the rest of the season.

[Gavincible]

the o-line needs to get better.

[Tiz]

C'mon now, teams have this stuff available DURING the game. What Fiasco did is a great service to the fans, but that's as far as it goes.

pretty much, many of the coaching staff have the ability to do what Fiasco did. many of them already do it to a degree.

It's acting upon what they see and learn from film that needs to be done.

Anyways.

Fiasco great thread.

It's awfully hard to disagree/argue with a person who not only watches the game multiple times but also breaks down each play to still photos like that.

[HAVACARDSFAN]

:yourock: Great Job, Fiasco.
I just have a hard time believing BIG blew that many assignments, "Because he is a Pro-Bowl Alternate at LT" :sarcasm:... By the way, where is Wild Cards when you really want to hear his opinion?
I for one want to say, "Thanks," and I hope you do this again. It is certainly a whole lot better than when I used to scout. I would have to draw each play of the line, and my partner would draw each play of the backfield, then we'd combine the drawings on the following day to study the opponent's plays for the game strategy. Obviously, that was before video and we had no cameras.
You did a fantastic job...Thanks again.:toothorn: :Cards logo:

[Hideous_Cardinal_Fan]

Excellent post! I too have been on the board for quite a long time and think this is one of the best threads ever. Great work Fiasco! OK. Here is the line up I want to see after witnessing the dissection of our O-line in real time.

LT-Wells
LG-Big
C-Step/Leckey(coin toss)
RG-M.Brown/Lutui(quickly if Brown Doesn't perform)
RT-Ross

[EuroCard]

:yourock: Great Job, Fiasco.
I just have a hard time believing BIG blew that many assignments, "Because he is a Pro-Bowl Alternate at LT" :sarcasm:... By the way, where is Wild Cards when you really want to hear his opinion?

It appears WC is taking a short rest from posting (Mandatory), but I am sure he is still reading.

[DennisGreenFan]

And then again some teams that are not neccessarily more talented, simply prepare better than other teams..

True. Like teams not called the Arizona Cardinals over the past, oh, let's just say some 100 years or so..... Get it?

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[DennisGreenFan]

It appears WC is taking a short rest from posting (Mandatory), but I am sure he is still reading.

For real?

What did my Man the wild cards do?

:smallfootball: :happy: :Cards logo:

[Tiz]

For real?

What did my Man the wild cards do?

:smallfootball: :happy: :Cards logo:

broke the rules...:shutup:

[Tlovern]

This has to be one of the all-time greatest threads! Thanks Fiasco for taking the time. This is excellent work.

my hat's off to you!

Tim

[DennisGreenFan]

broke the rules...:shutup:

:lollollol:

Thank you, but I sort of guessed that one. Which rule did he break? Starting a thread meant to escoriate the usual suspects, or fawning too much over the one and only Dennis Green, a winning football coach with a mission to make a winning football team out of the Arizona Cardinals if it is the very last thing he does on mother Earth??

Go Cards!!!

:Cards logo: :redtowel: :ok:

[Tiz]

:lollollol:

Thank you, but I sort of guessed that one. Which rule did he break? Starting a thread meant to escoriate the usual suspects, or fawning too much over the one and only Dennis Green, a winning football coach with a mission to make a winning football team out of the Arizona Cardinals if it is the very last thing he does on mother Earth??

Go Cards!!!

:Cards logo: :redtowel: :ok:


just my guess but one of his last and deleted threads violated

Statements that are bigoted, hateful or racially offensive.

but he was always one to add a lil

Material that defames, abuses or threatens others.

[DennisGreenFan]

just my guess but one of his last and deleted threads violated



but he was always one to add a lil


Thanks again. Passionate Folks will get over the line once in a while. That is why they have moderators, I guess.

Plus, the wild cards is literally a one-man fighting force against many naysayers on this MB. More power to him.

Go Cards!!!

:Cards logo: :happy:

[BirdWatcher]

Thanks Fiasco...This spider tx guy needs to go play with wc's somewhere.What a nobody.

Yes there are ex-players who are on this board who see as much as the coaches see.Some who even specialize in the offensive line.

Plain to see now what we can't see on tv.Edge has missed many a whole and does'nt hit it like he used to either.

Milford Brown should'nt be on the field.Can't believe we don't have Elton or Latui who can't do a better job than that? I hope it isn't because of the $$$ we threw at Brown when he was'nt worth it and everyone on this board knew it at the time we did'nt go after a bigger target to improve our offensive line. What a joke.

Thanks again Fiasco.This is everyday stuff to some people. Anyone that could say ONE BAD WORD about what you have done needs to sell popcorn at the games and quit watching football.Its not rocket science by any means.:football:

[Tiz]

Plain to see now what we can't see on tv.Edge has missed many a whole and does'nt hit it like he used to either.


i think that's too early to judge.

The niner game he was playing like he always does but the hole wasn't always there so he had to hit the cut back, imo, that mentality carried over to the Seattle game and as a result he's running patiently because the holes arent' there right now. As the blocking picks up i'm sure he'll hit the holes with force again.

One thing for sure, as bad as most of us agree the line was Edge's YPC in seattle was higher than in week 1 against SF..

[Lazy85249]

Thanks again. Passionate Folks will get over the line once in a while. That is why they have moderators, I guess.

Plus, the wild cards is literally a one-man fighting force against many naysayers on this MB. More power to him.

Go Cards!!!

:Cards logo: :happy:

Love him or hate him - his presence lingers. My feelings are mixed: #1 Fiasco's work here is AAA+ stuff and to see it digress into a "Why was WC banned?" thread just doesn't seem appropriate. versus #2 the wild cards put his stamp on just about everything - why not here?

[DennisGreenFan]

Thanks Fiasco...This spider tx guy needs to go play with wc's somewhere.What a nobody.

Yes there are ex-players who are on this board who see as much as the coaches see.Some who even specialize in the offensive line.

Plain to see now what we can't see on tv.Edge has missed many a whole and does'nt hit it like he used to either.

Milford Brown should'nt be on the field.Can't believe we don't have Elton or Latui who can't do a better job than that? I hope it isn't because of the $$$ we threw at Brown when he was'nt worth it and everyone on this board knew it at the time we did'nt go after a bigger target to improve our offensive line. What a joke.

Thanks again Fiasco.This is everyday stuff to some people. Anyone that could say ONE BAD WORD about what you have done needs to sell popcorn at the games and quit watching football.Its not rocket science by any means.:football:


I have also been wondering about why Elton Brown has not had any or much playing time. The only explanation I can think of is that the coaches want to start winning now, and figure that veterans give them a better chance,.... which is the only reason that I can think of why, for example, Adam Bergen still figures more in important situations at TE than Leonard Pope....

[DennisGreenFan]

Love him or hate him - his presence lingers. My feelings are mixed: #1 Fiasco's work here is AAA+ stuff and to see it digress into a "Why was WC banned?" thread just doesn't seem appropriate. versus #2 the wild cards put his stamp on just about everything - why not here?

Sorry about that.... I mean your #1.... My bad.

[RugbyMuffin78]

Done.....Thanks again Fiasco great post

Oh and Fiasco you don't want me to start ripping Step......you just don't

[crisper57]

Thanks Fiasco. Good stuff. It looks likes (in some of the frames), they are clearly crossing the LOS before our linemen get out of their stances. Are they that explosive or are we that slow? Any-hoo, it will be interesting to see a frame-by-frame breakdown of various snaps to see if we are continually beaten off the ball. I look forward to more posts like this one each week.

Granted, they will always beat us across the LOS on pass plays (duh), but the few run plays posted weren't encouraging.

[Fiasco]

Rugby, et all...

The SpiderTx thing has been hashed out and resolved previously in the thread. There is no need to keep ripping on him because he manned up and appologized.

However, if you would like to rip on Step, Davis, Brown and Liwawfullyski have at it.

[Hideous_Cardinal_Fan]

Rugby, et all...

However, if you would like to rip on Step, Davis, Brown and Liwawfullyski have at it.

Well, it's nice to see you've finally learned how to spell his name right Fiasco. Geesh... :bibl:

[Cardsfan50]

Great work Fiasco. Must have taken a lot of time. Thanks. Have you done this on other games? Would love to see how you grade out the oline over several games. Players can have a bad game, but it doesn't always mean they are a bad player.

One thing that really struck me was how so many of the linemen were A on one play and F the next, back and forth. Did you see any pattern to that? Did Davis, for instance do better when they passed versus a run play, did he do better when they ran the other direction? That sort of thing. The only consistent guys seemed to be Wells being consistently good, and Step being consistently bad.

Thanks again for the hard work. GO CARDS

[BigDinGlenDale]

So I have a question for you all: Should Wells stay at RT even if Ross returns? And then should Ross be moved to LG...G being a position he played once upon a time.

[Fiasco]

Wells should move to LG, Davis RG, Step/Leckey C, Brown/Brown RG, Ross RT

[Fiasco]

Great work Fiasco. Must have taken a lot of time. Thanks. Have you done this on other games? Would love to see how you grade out the oline over several games. Players can have a bad game, but it doesn't always mean they are a bad player.

One thing that really struck me was how so many of the linemen were A on one play and F the next, back and forth. Did you see any pattern to that? Did Davis, for instance do better when they passed versus a run play, did he do better when they ran the other direction? That sort of thing. The only consistent guys seemed to be Wells being consistently good, and Step being consistently bad.

Thanks again for the hard work. GO CARDS

I won't be able to do next weeks game until much later in the week. I have got some different software to install and try out. I want to try animated gifs instead of stills and see how that works out.

[flbirdfan]

Fiasco...great work. By far the best breakdown on any forum I have ever seen. Thanks for bringing some great football knowledge and showing the line play. Wow...I would not have wanted to be behind that line and I am a WHOLE lot bigger and stronger than Warner!

[BigDinGlenDale]

Wells should move to LG, Davis RG, Step/Leckey C, Brown/Brown RG, Ross RT

Hey Fiasco...could you clarify this for me? It's a little confusing to me. We really need to find a GOOD center next offseason...not this obscure guard from Houston crap.

[Nate + cards 4 life]

Great work Fiasco, I think Wells is better suited for a Tackle spot, Big should be at a Guard spot, and the rest working at a Burger King spot. We need to find some linemen in the worst way. I would hate to shorten the careers of Edge, Kurt, and Matt because of crappy line play.

[Fiasco]

Hey Fiasco...could you clarify this for me? It's a little confusing to me. We really need to find a GOOD center next offseason...not this obscure guard from Houston crap.

Sorry meant

Wells LT, Davis LG, Step/Leckey, Brown/Brown RG, Ross RT

[BERTRAND #92]

Sorry meant

Wells LT, Davis LG, Step/Leckey, Brown/Brown RG, Ross RT

God how pathetic is that ! From left to right... absolutely pathetic.

[BigDinGlenDale]

God how pathetic is that ! From left to right... absolutely pathetic.

Do you mean just in general our line is pathetic? Or the idea of having that lineup?

Thanks BTW Fiasco.:thumbsup:

[Spider TX]

Ok Fiasco, we all see our issues with the Oline, and most if not all agree. But since you are that excelled in looking into this all, is it possible to have you look into what I believe is a bigger issue, and that is the quite a few of the defensive players being in the wrong places, thus giving up to many big plays.

As many know, defense ultimately wins championships. Sure, the Oline blocking would surely help, but it is much harder to lose games if the opponent cannot score, and with all the big plays in the first two games, it is quite clear the opponent can score.

Just a thought and request if you are able.

[Fiasco]

The reason I did the o-line is because it's really hard to see exactly what is happening because they were the hot topic after the Seattle loss (and arguably the most glaring weakness on the team). Also, it's hard to follow what actually happens during a play because so many people are crammed into such a small space and what unfolds there only takes a couple of seconds and then it's over. Also, 100% of the activity along the o-line is viewable when you review the game broadcast.

Just in general terms I think the biggest problem on defense is discipline (personal foul penalties and overpursuit). Players are overpursuing plays and leaving their lanes of responsibility. This is really evident in the 49er game where Gore would cut back and there would be nobody home because the OLB or DE overpursued the misdirection. Pace also got burned by Vernon Davis on that TD by overpursuing.

With the defense it's next to impossible (particularly with the secondary and linebackers in coverage) because the televised camera isn't on them until the ball goes their way. That would make it practically impossible to break down anything but the defensive line and linebackers that stay in the box.

The same goes for wide receivers. You just can't break down a wide receiver on a play by play basis because they don't show up on camera unless the ball goes their way.

[Oaken1]

The reason I did the o-line is because it's really hard to see exactly what is happening because they were the hot topic after the Seattle loss (and arguably the most glaring weakness on the team). Also, it's hard to follow what actually happens during a play because so many people are crammed into such a small space and what unfolds there only takes a couple of seconds and then it's over. Also, 100% of the activity along the o-line is viewable when you review the game broadcast.

Just in general terms I think the biggest problem on defense is discipline (personal foul penalties and overpursuit). Players are overpursuing plays and leaving their lanes of responsibility. This is really evident in the 49er game where Gore would cut back and there would be nobody home because the OLB or DE overpursued the misdirection. Pace also got burned by Vernon Davis on that TD by overpursuing.

With the defense it's next to impossible (particularly with the secondary and linebackers in coverage) because the televised camera isn't on them until the ball goes their way. That would make it practically impossible to break down anything but the defensive line and linebackers that stay in the box.

The same goes for wide receivers. You just can't break down a wide receiver on a play by play basis because they don't show up on camera unless the ball goes their way.



Discipline has been a huge issue with this defense, that and tackling. The Seattle game showed us and the team that when they stay home they make the stop, but overpursuing results in big gains for the offense. Hopefully they learned from that crystal clear example. The tackling was a little better against seattle too.
As far as this O-line goes, well they have shown that each can make the good plays, but someone blows their assignment on every play. I still think if we stick with a line up and allow the guys to gel a bit the line play will improve dramatically. The lineup I like would be,
Wells
Davis
Stepanovich
Brown
Gorin
Placing Big next to Step helps to compensate for the lack of size at C and helps to open bigger holes in the middle. If we use Wakefield at TE on the left, that side would be nearly unstoppable in the run game IMO.
One can only hope the dissapointing line play so far is due to Loney needing to watch how these guys play together in live fire situations to evaluate who plays best next to who. On the few plays where each of them make their assignment we have made good gains as an offense, but that has only happened a couple times a game so far.

[BERTRAND #92]

Do you mean just in general our line is pathetic? Or the idea of having that lineup?



Not only is the idea pathetic but any combination would be pathetic. This is a terrible from top to bottom, truely a lose, lose situation unfortunately

I would almost bet that Vegas has a seperate odds category for - which one of our olineman will be the first to false start each week and who will have the most penaties category

My money would be on Big every week.

[Cardz81]

Not only is the idea pathetic but any combination would be pathetic. This is a terrible from top to bottom, truely a lose, lose situation unfortunately

I would almost bet that Vegas has a seperate odds category for - which one of our olineman will be the first to false start each week and who will have the most penaties category

My money would be on Big every week.

I think I read somewhere that the Cards have more penalties than last year at this time. 11 a game? That is horrific. Okay, Seattle is a very tough place to play, but they even false start at home.

For some reason, I hoped Loney would install more discipline in these guys. So far, it's not working.

Someone posted that they think Big false starts so often because he's slow and not quick enough to play T and he knows it. I think there's some truth to this.

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[Fiasco]

why did it take so long to move Wells back to left tackle?

[BigDinGlenDale]

why did it take so long to move Wells back to left tackle?

One word:



Idiots