Would you trade Edge for Champ Baily?

[ZOna_Style]

Would ya?

[Boldinfan]

we got marcell shipp who could take the load from him we need a corner badly though.

[spanner]

Yes....

[JayGee]

can we add a H E L LL YES!!! option?

[Wayne's Cards]

Denver doesn't need a RB, so this will never happen. That is why Denver gave up on Porter.

[ZOna_Style]

Denver doesn't need a RB, so this will never happen. That is why Denver gave up on Porter.

I never said it would or could it ever happen...I simply asked if YOU would do the trade if you could.

[BoomerFan480]

I would. I like Edge, but i dont think shipp is THAT much of a downgrade, at least in terms of this year & our o-line. Plus, we really need a quality CB soo bad. So yes, i would. If that happend, we could pick up a RB in the draft instead of a CB.

[reeder15]

Without a doubt! Bailey is the best corner in the game and can take away one side of the field and create lots of turnovers. Lets draft Adrian Peterson and see what happens!!! It would never happen, so who cares.

[Belac44]

Sure, and then I would consider drafting Adrian Peterson in the first.

[sidewalk_surfer]

Denver doesn't need a RB, so this will never happen. That is why Denver gave up on Porter.

Portis...

[Adrian]

nah, edge is good

[AussieCardinal]

Nope, no thanks

[Darth Llama]

In a heartbeat!

I love Edge.. but man Champ Bailey is a player that if you can get.. you do get.

[ARZCardinals]

No freaking way...
Edge is going to end up on the high end of 1100 yards after this season. He did that behind a line that STUNK...imagine what he can do behind a solid line...it's dreaming...and he's that good.

Bailey get's 3-4 balls tossed his way per game...and he does shut down a WR...but I'll take the guy that's in 23+ plays per game vs the guy that's in just a few and shuts down a few more from even taking place.

Edge any day every day.

[Lord_Helmet]

No freaking way...
Edge is going to end up on the high end of 1100 yards after this season. He did that behind a line that STUNK...imagine what he can do behind a solid line...it's dreaming...and he's that good.

Bailey get's 3-4 balls tossed his way per game...and he does shut down a WR...but I'll take the guy that's in 23+ plays per game vs the guy that's in just a few and shuts down a few more from even taking place.

Edge any day every day.

Wow... This has to be the most clueless post ever, well done!

[spokanecardfan]

Wow... This has to be the most clueless post ever, well done!

I can only imagine how good this defense would be with a shutdown corner.

[iacardsfan]

Bailey is the best CB in the game, and this is not likely to change for the next several years.

Edge is not the best RB in the game. He's good, but not the best. Furthermore, his current position among active running backs is likely to go down in the next couple years as he gets older.

Add in the relative difficulties of finding a CB vs. RB and this isn't even a contest, IMO.

[SunDevilDon]

Denver doesn't need a RB, so this will never happen. That is why Denver gave up on Porter.

Your vote doesn't count, you don't even know a 1,500 yard back's name!!!

[edge32]

Bailey is a terrific CB and it would be a tempting offer...but I wouldn't do it. Our draft position should allow us to add a top CB and we have a solid young group of core players on our defense that will get better next year.

I think an improved O-Line will help Edge will return to ProBowl form next year and our offense will have both "ball control" and "deep strike" capability. Continuity is really important for the Cards offense and for Leinart's progress, and I wouldn't mess with that right now.

[SunDevilDon]

Sure, and then I would consider drafting Adrian Peterson in the first.

Yup! Running Backs are a dime a dozen. There are guys over 10,000 yards (or close to it) that IMO, aren't that good in the big picture of NFL history. What they have accomplished is longevity and consistency, but when it comes down to it, they aren't in the same category as Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, OJ Simpson, maybe LT. Anthony Thomas could run for 10,000 yards if he would have been featured by the Bears and stayed there long enough IMO.

Look at Addai, Maroney, Maurice Drew, Mike Bell, Gore, ,McGahee, Steven Jackson, etc. These guys are in their rookie or second years (Gore?). The key is finding the right guy for your system. Most running backs are good at a certain place and time. I think if you can prove yourself in different settings, such as Dillon faring well in Cinci AND NE, Martin in NE AND NY, Faulk in Indy AND Stl. Maybe James goes for 1,200 for the next 3 years with the Cards and is in that category, but look at guys like Thomas Jones, Garrison Hearst, etc. You just need a guy and scheme that fits in with what you want to do. If you give a guy the ball enough (James), he will get his 1,000 yards, but is he effective and a good running back, or is he a product of his environment?

Barber
Dillon (Cusp of greatness)
Martin (Cusp of greatness)
Taylor (Cusp of greatness)
James ?
Dunn
Bettis (cusp of greatness)

To me, a good running back is a running back who was good in college and is feared in the NFL. I don't think a lot of people fear Edge. Fear LT? Yes, that's what separates him from the rest since Barry Sanders retired and Faulk dwindled away with injuries. Look at your premier backs in college that are GREAT in the NFL, it will tell you a lot. Guys like Faulk, Sanders, Tomlinson, Drew, Stephen Jackson were terrors in college and have been/will be in the NFL. Your other guys like Fred Taylor, Emmitt Smith, Gore, James, McGahee, T. Jones, Dillon, Taylor, Martin were all good in college but not the big play feared threat tearing up record books that I can recall, although I am younger than many on this board, so I could be mistaken on their college careere. Anyone that watched Stephen Jackson at OSU knew this guy was better than a late first round pick. It amazes me that some of these backs go so late. Maurice Drew as well as D-Angelo Williams too were obviously better than where they were drafted. Williams would be a STUD with another team or if he got more carries. Adrian Peterson is one of those backs, and probaly Chris Wells when he comes out too. The Raiders will probably get Peterson and be much improved in the next few years because of it. Look at LT and what he has done for the Chargers?

[Tiz]

Yes then turn around and snatch up Jones-Drew if I could muster that trade too. :bibl:

[AzRedCard]

No freaking way...
Edge is going to end up on the high end of 1100 yards after this season. He did that behind a line that STUNK...imagine what he can do behind a solid line...it's dreaming...and he's that good.



My feelings EXACTLY!! I admit I doubted the Edge in the beggining because I thought he had a bad attitude, but he won me over, the guy IS a workhorse fix the O-line before next season and watch him take off!

:Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo:

[Tiz]

All in All good post SDD but some things to address

Emmitt Smith, Gore, James, McGahee, T. Jones, Dillon, Taylor, Martin were all good in college but not the big play feared threat tearing up record books that I can recall, although I am younger than many on this board, so I could be mistaken on their college careere. Anyone that watched Stephen Jackson at OSU knew this guy was better than a late first round pick. It amazes me that some of these backs go so late. Maurice Drew as well as D-Angelo Williams too were obviously better than where they were drafted. Williams would be a STUD with another team or if he got more carries. Adrian Peterson is one of those backs, and probaly Chris Wells when he comes out too. The Raiders will probably get Peterson and be much improved in the next few years because of it. Look at LT and what he has done for the Chargers?


Gore, Edge and McGahee were great backs in college too. Part of the problem with their greatness is that with all 3 coming from the same school and so close together makes people look at system and not back.

Dillon was also a stud in college to but had issues that detracted from the type of player he was. Dillon was also a great back in Cincy problem is he was playing there before they had talent around him had they had the QB and WRs now back then he would have faced alot less 8 and 9 man fronts and you'd be hearing about him and the HOF from almost everyone.

IMO, what detracts from Emmitt and Taylor is Eric Recht. All 3 went to UF all 3 were good backs and Emmitt was always breaking big gains but was looked at for hs physical attributes and not what he was actually doing on the field. Any ways Eric Recht also did good at UF but subsequently failed in the NFL (TB back then would do that to any player tho) and that is what i think takes away a bit from what the other 2 did in college. Taylor as a pro spent too much time on IR to have HOF consideration but is and always has been a great runner.

Curtis Martin tho. Stud from day one especially in the pros. Many were disappointed with Terrell Davis getting the pub over Martin their rookie years but Martin is, in my mind, a certifiable HOFer. He just does it so smoothly that it gets taken for granted, as a rookie tho he split defenders like a hot knife through cool butter.

[Belac44]

Bailey is a terrific CB and it would be a tempting offer...but I wouldn't do it. Our draft position should allow us to add a top CB and we have a solid young group of core players on our defense that will get better next year.

I think an improved O-Line will help Edge will return to ProBowl form next year and our offense will have both "ball control" and "deep strike" capability. Continuity is really important for the Cards offense and for Leinart's progress, and I wouldn't mess with that right now.

Seeing your screen name I guess I didnt need to read your post to know how you would answer this question.

Anyhow, I would use your same reasoning to do the opposite of what you say. I like Edge, but this season actually shows you how easy it should be to get 1000 or even 1100 yards.

I would rather add a proven veteran CB that is probably the best in the league over a rookie CB. Adding a rookie running back gives you a much better chance at finding success over a tough position like CB. I have liked Adrian Peterson since he was a freshman and he checks out physically then he could be a stud. We could even get a back in the 2nd round that could produce the same numbers as Edge did here. Cards just dont have much luck when it comes to drafting RB's high, but most other teams do...

Edge is not a break away runner. You see these guys with this great burst hitting home runs and we will not get that out of Edge. I dont think we used him enough in the passing game either, but it is harder to find another Champ Bailey than it is to find another Edge. Thats a fact.

[M0J0]

YEP, for a couple of reasons.... Quality runningbacks are a dime a dozen and it's hard to get CB's. CB is possibly one of the hardest position's to fill.

But it will never happen. The Wonco's would never give him up.

[TRJ]

Absolutley trade Edge. He averaged 3.3 yds a carry. Basically the same as JJ Arrington beheind an equally terrible line. Give anybody 300 carries and they will get 1000 yds. It is simple math.
Give Shipp 300 plus carries and he has 1000 yds.

[SunDevilDon]

All in All good post SDD but some things to address



Gore, Edge and McGahee were great backs in college too. Part of the problem with their greatness is that with all 3 coming from the same school and so close together makes people look at system and not back.

Dillon was also a stud in college to but had issues that detracted from the type of player he was. Dillon was also a great back in Cincy problem is he was playing there before they had talent around him had they had the QB and WRs now back then he would have faced alot less 8 and 9 man fronts and you'd be hearing about him and the HOF from almost everyone.

IMO, what detracts from Emmitt and Taylor is Eric Recht. All 3 went to UF all 3 were good backs and Emmitt was always breaking big gains but was looked at for hs physical attributes and not what he was actually doing on the field. Any ways Eric Recht also did good at UF but subsequently failed in the NFL (TB back then would do that to any player tho) and that is what i think takes away a bit from what the other 2 did in college. Taylor as a pro spent too much time on IR to have HOF consideration but is and always has been a great runner.

Curtis Martin tho. Stud from day one especially in the pros. Many were disappointed with Terrell Davis getting the pub over Martin their rookie years but Martin is, in my mind, a certifiable HOFer. He just does it so smoothly that it gets taken for granted, as a rookie tho he split defenders like a hot knife through cool butter.

Hey Tiz, I don't think my post came together like I had planned it. I was extremely tired and could't get it all how I wanted to say it, as there was much to discuss. Eric Rhett? Man, I remember him!!! Didn't see him much in college but tore up Madden with him back in the day. I think Dillon, Martin, and Taylor will be in the HOF for sure, but don't think Barber paid his dues long enough, and Ricky Waters should not get in as well. Too much more to discuss...

[BoomerFan480]

To me, a good running back is a running back who was good in college and is feared in the NFL.

your thoughts on Reggie Bush??
cuz he was a monster on the college level. nobody could touch this guy. and he hasnt lived up to his expectations so far in the NFL. i know its a huge transition, im just wondering how less stellar college RB's have been more successful in their 1st rookie year than Bush..?? is he just trying to hard?? maybe he thought he would do better than he is and its bugging him... give him time, he'll be great.

just wondered what your take was on Bush.

[edge32]

Seeing your screen name I guess I didnt need to read your post to know how you would answer this question.

Anyhow, I would use your same reasoning to do the opposite of what you say. I like Edge, but this season actually shows you how easy it should be to get 1000 or even 1100 yards.

I would rather add a proven veteran CB that is probably the best in the league over a rookie CB. Adding a rookie running back gives you a much better chance at finding success over a tough position like CB. I have liked Adrian Peterson since he was a freshman and he checks out physically then he could be a stud. We could even get a back in the 2nd round that could produce the same numbers as Edge did here. Cards just dont have much luck when it comes to drafting RB's high, but most other teams do...

Edge is not a break away runner. You see these guys with this great burst hitting home runs and we will not get that out of Edge. I dont think we used him enough in the passing game either, but it is harder to find another Champ Bailey than it is to find another Edge. Thats a fact.

Well...I did say it would be a tempting offer.

I can't argue the fact that RB is a far easier position to step into as a rookie than CB. But I also think Eric Green and Antrel Rolle will continue to develop into solid CB's, in addition to CB's we could add thru the draft.

And I'll admit the obvious that I am and have always been a big Edge fan. I just think the offense is on the brink of truly being one of the NFL's best and most balanced so I would be hesitant to make the move for that reason.

[Belac44]

Well...I did say it would be a tempting offer.

I can't argue the fact that RB is a far easier position to step into as a rookie than CB. But I also think Eric Green and Antrel Rolle will continue to develop into solid CB's, in addition to CB's we could add thru the draft.

And I'll admit the obvious that I am and have always been a big Edge fan. I just think the offense is on the brink of truly being one of the NFL's best and most balanced so I would be hesitant to make the move for that reason.

I am and Edge fan too and I hope we are on the brink of something special.

This trade would never happen anyhow so I dont think any of us need to think that hard about it.

[Red Nailer]

We need to move foward not break even.

Add a Champ Bailey type corner and then some more D while keeping Edge!

[Belac44]

We need to move foward not break even.

Add a Champ Bailey type corner and then some more D while keeping Edge!

Now thats a facinating concept!

[Tiz]

Hey Tiz, I don't think my post came together like I had planned it. I was extremely tired and could't get it all how I wanted to say it, as there was much to discuss. Eric Rhett? Man, I remember him!!! Didn't see him much in college but tore up Madden with him back in the day. I think Dillon, Martin, and Taylor will be in the HOF for sure, but don't think Barber paid his dues long enough, and Ricky Waters should not get in as well. Too much more to discuss...

I agree on Barber and Watters. They got yards without really coming across as dominating players over an extended period of time.

[Lord_Helmet]

We need to move foward not break even.

Add a Champ Bailey type corner and then some more D while keeping Edge!

Problem is Champ Bailey type corners doesn't really come around every day, servicable RBs do!

[Ditship]

The Value of Bailey is about 10 fold the Value of Edge. I like Edge but I wouldn't even question the trade.

[Northern Soul]

No freaking way...
Edge is going to end up on the high end of 1100 yards after this season. He did that behind a line that STUNK...imagine what he can do behind a solid line...it's dreaming...and he's that good.

Bailey get's 3-4 balls tossed his way per game...and he does shut down a WR...but I'll take the guy that's in 23+ plays per game vs the guy that's in just a few and shuts down a few more from even taking place.

Edge any day every day.
I disagree with the Helmet. Excellent post.
I disagree with your arguement, but it is so much better when people back up their views rather than just put in a spiteful one line reply.

I'd rather see Edge traded for a stud O lineman(Not that its going to happen), but the chance of getting Champ would be too good to miss (Not that its going to happen).

[Lord_Helmet]

I disagree with the Helmet. Excellent post.
I disagree with your arguement, but it is so much better when people back up their views rather than just put in a spiteful one line reply.

I'd rather see Edge traded for a stud O lineman(Not that its going to happen), but the chance of getting Champ would be too good to miss (Not that its going to happen).

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me, except you kind of agree at the end there :thumbsup:

I could explain in detail why CB is a harder position to fill than RB, but I really can't be bothered. If one doesn't know basic stuff about the game one might want to study a bit before shooting ones mouth off.

You're saying quantity beats quality ? :poke:

[Northern Soul]

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me, except you kind of agree at the end there :thumbsup:

I could explain in detail why CB is a harder position to fill than RB, but I really can't be bothered. If one doesn't know basic stuff about the game one might want to study a bit before shooting ones mouth off.

You're saying quantity beats quality ? :poke:
No mate, just saying at least the guy backed up his reason for not making the trade. Which IMO is good. Even though like you I would do the trade.

[Lord_Helmet]

No mate, just saying at least the guy backed up his reason for not making the trade. Which IMO is good. Even though like you I would do the trade.

I can agree that backing up opinions with relevant info and stats is often the best way to get a constructive debate, but when the whole line of thinking is flawed to the core I don't see much need for it.

[booman141]

This is an interesting yet futile proposition. Shananagins is notorious for releasing top-notch running backs. His scheme for the running game is so good and his o-lines are so disciplined that he does not need to pay a RB top dollar to have success.

In my opinion I think he would laugh at the Cards if we even proposed this trade to him. He might go for Q or Fitz for Champ but THAT IS NOT AN OPTION!

That's just my opinion on the matter. Why argue about something that is not going to happen?

[Lord_Helmet]

This is an interesting yet futile proposition. Shananagins is notorious for releasing top-notch running backs. His scheme for the running game is so good and his o-lines are so disciplined that he does not need to pay a RB top dollar to have success.

In my opinion I think he would laugh at the Cards if we even proposed this trade to him. He might go for Q or Fitz for Champ but THAT IS NOT AN OPTION!

That's just my opinion on the matter. Why argue about something that is not going to happen?

There isn't anyone in their right mind in this thread who thinks this could really happen. And normally I don't respond to the ramblings of the OP, but there was a couple of interesting/surprising posts here. So I think a reality check was in order, or maybe I have just played too much Madden and Fantasy Football.. you decide :topic:

[pg13]

Oh this board. I've seen better fans at a rummage sale. Everyone was so high on EDGE coming here! Then because of a crappy o-line and bad decesion by BOTH Edge and Denny Green not to work hard in preseason to figure it out before the season started, it's now a fire sale on EDGE. You guys make me laugh.

Edge is an every down player. While he hasn't for the whole season played up to expectations he has of late showed what was expected from game one. Several hundred yard games, a good yds per carry. That is not found on every street corner. Now the moment it's working your thought is get rid of it!

No I would not make that trade. Champ is great, no doubt. But it's much easier to nullify him then Edge because all you have to do is go away from him. Sure it takes a bit away from your offense, but pleanty of teams do it effectively. Edge, with a decent oline is proving to be very effective now. Why would I give that up?

Our corner play has been suspect, but we were losing games because we couldn't run the ball. More pressure was on the D at all times to make big plays because of that. If our O had been able to convert running plays early on in the season, putting the pressure on the other teams D, our D's back wouldn't have always been put up against the wall to keep us the game.

Do we need better corner play? Yes? Is Champ the answer by himself? IMO no way!

[booman141]

Oh this board. I've seen better fans at a rummage sale. Everyone was so high on EDGE coming here! Then because of a crappy o-line and bad decesion by BOTH Edge and Denny Green not to work hard in preseason to figure it out before the season started, it's now a fire sale on EDGE. You guys make me laugh.

Edge is an every down player. While he hasn't for the whole season played up to expectations he has of late showed what was expected from game one. Several hundred yard games, a good yds per carry. That is not found on every street corner. Now the moment it's working your thought is get rid of it!

No I would not make that trade. Champ is great, no doubt. But it's much easier to nullify him then Edge because all you have to do is go away from him. Sure it takes a bit away from your offense, but pleanty of teams do it effectively. Edge, with a decent oline is proving to be very effective now. Why would I give that up?

Our corner play has been suspect, but we were losing games because we couldn't run the ball. More pressure was on the D at all times to make big plays because of that. If our O had been able to convert running plays early on in the season, putting the pressure on the other teams D, our D's back wouldn't have always been put up against the wall to keep us the game.

Do we need better corner play? Yes? Is Champ the answer by himself? IMO no way!

Why do you use EVERY opportunity afforded to you as a vehicle for you to tell everyone on this board how stupid and disloyal we all are? Just because someone proposes a trade for one of the best players in the league they are a bad fan?

I just wonder why you would dedicate so much of your posting time to putting everyone else down. It's just kinda sad.

[pg13]

Why do you use EVERY opportunity afforded to you as a vehicle for you to tell everyone on this board how stupid and disloyal we all are? Just because someone proposes a trade for one of the best players in the league they are a bad fan?

I just wonder why you would dedicate so much of your posting time to putting everyone else down. It's just kinda sad.

With all due respect to the MANY real and good fans which include some I disagee with at times the reason I point these things out is that these same people attack others and myself included with victrolic hate at the drop of a hat. There are plenty of people on this board who will post things that I will either learn something from what they have posted, or sometimes I might disagree but at least we can talk about in a respect full mannner. I've always been single out for being a Waner fan. Nobody accused me of being an Edge fan, but obviously I just defended him and his worth to the team. I NEVER backed off that for the season. I did say all preseason I thought he should be praticing with the oline. But even early on while I was unhappy with how he was performing I could see he was running hard, he was giving max effort. He wasn't getting any help. But did I turn on him. No! Did I turn of Rackers? No! Macklin! Bergan! Big! Have I turned on any of them? No! Denny? YES! Because he proved to be unworthy of loayalty! Because he had NONE! If you think it's sad to call out these same type of people, then I guess there is nothing I can say to that! But these are the same people who call me Brenda for cheering for Warner. These are the same people who have turned on Edge and all the others mentioned. So do I have a reason to be a bit resentful of them? I would think any sane person would.

[Lord_Helmet]

I can't even find PG13's post. And I really wanted to bash it.

Champ Bailey is the best cornerback in the game, and its our most glaring need. He can shut down half of a field. He would upgrade our defense by 100 percent just by showing up.

Edge is a running back. Ho hum. Dime a dozen. They'll be 10 more running back stars next year. Plug them in, and as long as they have a good line, they'll produce. Edge is not LT. Edge is not Tiki Barber. Edge is just a good running back that made his name in the best offense in the NFL.

Put this poll on Denvers board, see how many vote yes. lol

Good point, I'm sure there wouldn't be a single vote in favor of doing it. To put things in perspective here's what WR Rod Smith had to say about Bailey:

"I never played with a better football player and I played with
John Elway," Smith said.

[Darth Llama]

Bailey is the best CB in the NFL.

Hands Down..

No one else is even close.


Any team that could get him.. would get him. Denver just isn't stupid enough to let him go.

[BodybuildingCardsFan]

Anyone that voted "no", is a pure homer. Champ is in a league of his own, period.

[ZOna_Style]

yey..lets get all my trade threads up here!:rockon:


:bowdown: @ ME


:jumping:

[cardinalsDO]

I think both cornerback and RB's are overrated. Champ Bailey would struggle here as well because our defensive line can't generate a pas rush. Everything starts in the trenches. I wouldn't want to overpay for a corner right now because unless we fix our defensive line, any corner will struggle here including Champ Bailey. This is why the Eagles can lose Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor and replace them with essentially rookies and not lose a step. It's because their front four can pass rush.

I'm not suggesting that we don't find a suitable cornerback in the offseason. i just don't want to overpay for one ala Duane Starks.

[fenikz]

yes, just because champ is so far in a way the best corner in the league

i heard that it was only thrown to his side 31 times this entire season, that's ridiculous

[Philly PA Cards Fan]

Yes, only because i see a pretty good RB posistion without Edge, and its easier to find a good RB in the draft. Baily is a proven threat at his posistion, and he does not need any help from the OL.

[Projekt]

Sure, and then I would consider drafting Adrian Peterson in the first.

I was thinking the exact same thing. And this is no bash on Edge, but rather a compliment to Bailey.

In this market a shutdown corner is hard to come by, however there is another RB we could get who would equal or at least come close to Edge's numbers, and he would have his whole career in front of him. AND Champ alone would probably double our INT number...

[Drachir]

Who is Champ Baily?

[Philly PA Cards Fan]

After thinking about it....
:topic:

[giantkeeper]

we got marcell shipp who could take the load from him we need a corner badly though.

We could get a shut down corner that we need so bad, use our 1st round pick on Adrian Peterson, draft an LT in the second round and let Shipp go play somewhere else as the #2 back.:Cards logo:

[Lord_Helmet]

I think both cornerback and RB's are overrated. Champ Bailey would struggle here as well because our defensive line can't generate a pas rush. Everything starts in the trenches. I wouldn't want to overpay for a corner right now because unless we fix our defensive line, any corner will struggle here including Champ Bailey. This is why the Eagles can lose Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor and replace them with essentially rookies and not lose a step. It's because their front four can pass rush.

I'm not suggesting that we don't find a suitable cornerback in the offseason. i just don't want to overpay for one ala Duane Starks.

Denver doesn't have a pass rush either, Bailey is covering guys for 7+ seconds on almost all passing downs

[OregonBigRed]

Of course I would. James is completely overrated (at least at this point). Maybe he will have a great year next year, but until he does, jury is out imho. To me, it does not matter what he did before he got the the Cardinals.

[lkratavil49]

Why in God's name do we have these threads?? There is no other player on anyone else's team who is important but these guys....OUR Cardinal players are the only ones who truly count.....cheer for and admire players from other teams, but don't knock our players to do so. Let's move on and totally support the team as is.....if we have to drag people through the mud.....let's do it to each other, :biggrin: at least we can defend ourselves and our point of view.

[cardinalsDO]

Denver doesn't have a pass rush either, Bailey is covering guys for 7+ seconds on almost all passing downs

Denver was also 21st against the pass so teams were having success against Champ Bailey as well. Interceptions doesn't necessarily translate to success. There is no way he was only thrown to 31 times. You don't get 10 interceptions if you were only thrown to 31 times. During some of Bailey's best years, he had no more than 3 picks per year. Interceptions means the corners are being thrown to more and the corners themselves are taking more chances to make picks. Look at Bailey's stats from 2001-2004

2001 - 3 ints
2002 - 3 ints
2003 - 2 ints
2004 - 2 ints

The point is even great corners will struggle when their defensive line can't rush the passer. If you expect any corner to cover a guy for 7 seconds on every play, you are delluding yourself. There is a reason why guys like Duane Starks look amazing on the Ravens when they have a pass rush and when they come here and get lit up. I think we have decent corners. We need to add depth by signing another corner capable of starting, but more importantly we need to be able to pass rush consistently. Our front 4 has to be able to provide pressure and we haven't had that in a long time.

[Lord_Helmet]

Its not like we disagree, even Champ can't be expected to cover guys that long. But when he had to, he did a helluva job.

Pass rush and coverage are dependant on each other, if you don't have one the other will suffer. Hardly rocket science

[ARZCardinals]

think about it...

a guy that gets into 20+ plays a game or a guy that gets into 3-6 plays a game.

who's got the bigger impact...and yes the broncos would do that trade in a heartbeat...but the Cards would not.

[BulldogsCards]

No way I trade James for Champ Bailey. I wouldn't be afraid to have James and Peterson on the same team either.

[Lord_Helmet]

think about it...

a guy that gets into 20+ plays a game or a guy that gets into 3-6 plays a game.

who's got the bigger impact...and yes the broncos would do that trade in a heartbeat...but the Cards would not.

LMAO :lollollol:

[reeder15]

think about it...

a guy that gets into 20+ plays a game or a guy that gets into 3-6 plays a game.

who's got the bigger impact...and yes the broncos would do that trade in a heartbeat...but the Cards would not.
There is a reason Champ is only involved in 3-6 plays a game and that's because he is a Playmaker and teams are afraid of him. The fewer plays a corner is involved in then the better job he has done. Running backs are expected to get the ball 20-30 times a game and when there average is around 3 yards a carry then something is wrong.