Major reason Dennis Green should stay

[ARZCardinals]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.

Fire Green and you'll guarentee another non playoff year.

only 2 guys in the history of the game have done it and luck has never been on our side.

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.

[Mgm_Cards_Fan]

I agree, I think Dennis Green should stay, as long as he continues to move the team forward. If I'm the Bidwills I tell Green, you Make the playoffs, or your out...

[pg13]

There is NO REASON to keep Denny Green. He has proven to be a gutless leader and an extremely poor decesion maker. He takes no reponsibility for anything but the wins. This is not someone people want to follow. I blame everyone else, then I take all the credit. Truth is he should have already been fired. To not do it at the end of the season would be a crime.

[AZCARDSfaninNJ]

I see both sides of this argument, but I think starting over again assures us of more losing, not that keeping Green assures of of wins but I think the chances of winning with him next season are better than without him. Turning the Cards around is THE hardest head coaching job in the NFL, I am convinced of that. We have lost for so long what's the harm in giving Green one more year? He has put more talent on this team than I've ever seen before, we have a possible franchise QB of the future which this team hasn't had since Neil Lomax, it doesn't feel like we are that far away with all the last minute losses we had this year that should have been wins........:Cards logo:

[AaronIsDaBomB]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.

Fire Green and you'll guarentee another non playoff year.

only 2 guys in the history of the game have done it and luck has never been on our side.

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.

:iagree: :spam:

[JayGee]

There is NO REASON to keep Denny Green. He has proven to be a gutless leader and an extremely poor decesion maker. He takes no reponsibility for anything but the wins. This is not someone people want to follow. I blame everyone else, then I take all the credit. Truth is he should have already been fired. To not do it at the end of the season would be a crime.

kurt just announced he is staying here and even if we switch coaches kurt's still going to be the backup. heck if we change coaches, kurt may be cut. DG took responsibility for the losses; havent you heard the quote where he thought it was more on him than the players? u have bitter grapes that your favorite player isnt starting but hey, he's playing on Sunday and i'm hoping he has a career day.

[AaronIsDaBomB]

I agree, I think Dennis Green should stay, as long as he continues to move the team forward. If I'm the Bidwills I tell Green, you Make the playoffs, or your out...

:iagree: :ok: :spam:

[Saturn5]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.


Wrong.

They must have meant in the last 5 years.

Herm Edwards
Wade phillips
Bill Parcells (twice)
Chan Gailey
Sean Payton
Denny Green
Bobby Ross (twice)
Tony Dungy
Ray Rhodes
Jim Mora Jr
John Robinson
Chuck Knox
Sid Gillman (twice)
Jim Fassel
Dan Reeves
Raymond Berry
Mike Holmgren
Chuck Knox
Art Shell
George Allen
Don Coryell

[The Pirate Bob]

Wrong.

They must have meant in the last 5 years.


Wade phillips
Bill Parcells (twice)
Chan Gailey
Sean Payton
Denny Green
Bobby Ross (twice)
Tony Dungy
Ray Rhodes
Jim Mora Jr
John Robinson
Chuck Knox
Sid Gillman (twice)
Jim Fassel
Dan Reeves
Raymond Berry
Mike Holmgren
Chuck Knox
Art Shell
George Allen
Don Coryell


Quite confusing the issue with the facts.

[ItsInTheCards]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.

Fire Green and you'll guarentee another non playoff year.

only 2 guys in the history of the game have done it and luck has never been on our side.

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.


funny, that makes 2 teams THIS YEAR that have accomplished that (and potentially a third (McCarthy, Linehan)

Payton is coach of the year, and the Jets have been playing great

every first year HC this year has more wins than Denny, and one is tied (Kubiak).....these guys did what Denny couldn't do in 3 years!

[OldDirtMcGirt]

How about Denny's history of losing in Arizona? I think that three straight losing seasons doesn't bode well for our opportunities. I thank Denny for the core of players that we have now, but the fact remains that he's a terrible in game coach who has a soft undisciplined team. We need a guy like Ron Rivera who can provide this team with some toughness and discipline, not to mention give us some defense.

[ItsInTheCards]

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.

and they're a few easy plays from losing the Niners game in week 1, Seattle game, the Detroit game, and potentially the other 9er game

it's called a double-edged sword

[Saturn5]

That's not to mention the very recent or current coaches who achieved a winning record by their second season:

Sean Payton
Mike Mularky
Jim Mora Jr
Bill Parcells
Tony Dungy
John Fox
Nick Saban
Tom Coughlin
Mike Sherman
Lovie Smith
Andy Reid
Jack Del Rio
Herm Edwards
Mike Holmgren
Joe Gibbs
Eric Mangini
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick


All got above .500 by their 2nd season and many of them achieved winning records in their inaugural season.
That's not to mention that the Cardinals would be perhaps 1 of 2 or 3 teams looking for head coaches this offseason, therefore making the odds even better. The timing is right.
So you see, the odds are actually quite good for a new coach. There are few coaches who make it into their third season without a winning season in their first 2. And it is indeed rare for any coach to even see a fourth season after 3 straight losing seasons, at the beginning of their tenure.

[LongTimeFan]

What about Sean Payton of the Saints? No one expected him to field a winning team this year and look at the Saints, bonified contenders for NFC champs; which is even better than just making the playoffs.

You gotta love those east coast guys, if it isn't AFC East or NFC East of ACC or Big East, it doesn't exist or count.

[ARZCardinals]

funny, that makes 2 teams THIS YEAR that have accomplished that (and potentially a third (McCarthy, Linehan)

Payton is coach of the year, and the Jets have been playing great

every first year HC this year has more wins than Denny, and one is tied (Kubiak).....these guys did what Denny couldn't do in 3 years!
Like anyone would take the SF 9ers over our team...please....they got lucky in a lot of games. Cards are a better team than all of them.

[Saturn5]

Like anyone would take the SF 9ers over our team...please....they got lucky in a lot of games. Cards are a better team than all of them.


Talent-wise you might be right.

where the Cardinals are lacking is in the coaching dept. That's the difference between playing in the postseason and sitting at home watching. Especially in the Cardinals case with all that talent.

[ItsInTheCards]

That's not to mention the very recent or current coaches who achieved a winning record by their second season:

Sean Payton
Mike Mularky
Jim Mora Jr
Bill Parcells
Tony Dungy
John Fox
Nick Saban
Tom Coughlin
Mike Sherman
Lovie Smith
Andy Reid
Jack Del Rio
Herm Edwards
Mike Holmgren
Joe Gibbs
Eric Mangini
Bill Belichick
Brian Billick


All got above .500 by their 2nd season and many of them achieved winning records in their inaugural season.
That's not to mention that the Cardinals would be perhaps 1 of 2 or 3 teams looking for head coaches this offseason, therefore making the odds even better. The timing is right.
So you see, the odds are actually quite good for a new coach. There are few coaches who make it into their third season without a winning season in their first 2. And it is indeed rare for any coach to even see a fourth season after 3 straight losing seasons, at the beginning of their tenure.

and I think the best case is for a guy you didnt even mention.....Marvin Lewis

Lewis has taken that team out of the gutter, and turned it around the first year he was there and kept them in contention every year.

and this was with the Bengals, who along with the Saints were supposedly cursed by miserly owners....meanwhile, you have a retread with a 16-31 record here....

[NightHawk11and81]

Like anyone would take the SF 9ers over our team...please....they got lucky in a lot of games. Cards are a better team than all of them.

I'd take their coach over ours.

[Hollywood]

Like anyone would take the SF 9ers over our team...please....they got lucky in a lot of games. Cards are a better team than all of them.

Thats an easy thing to say. The question is how do you prove it....oh yeah....4-2 in the division. :biggrin:

[Saturn5]

and I think the best case is for a guy you didnt even mention.....Marvin Lewis

Lewis has taken that team out of the gutter, and turned it around the first year he was there and kept them in contention every year.

and this was with the Bengals, who along with the Saints were supposedly cursed by miserly owners....meanwhile, you have a retread with a 16-31 record here....

Well, actually Marvin Lewis didn't achieve a winning season until his third year, so he didn't exactly fit the parameters of what I was talking about. But you're right, he only further proves the point of how the success that new coaches often achieve is not all that uncommon. And it's even more impressive that he has not had a single losing season in the years he's been there. 8-8, 8-8, 11-5, 8-7
As a matter of fact, it is actually more the norm that a new coach will get a winning season in the first 1-3 years. Denny is really the exception to the rule.
And if he enters his fourth year here, it will be a rare event indeed in the NFL for a coach, any coach to remain employed after 3 straight losing seasons. Especially that it occurs at the beginning of his tenure. Wouldn't it be just like the cardinals to once again set the standard for futility by keeping him on board.

[arizona_cards_11]

How about Denny's history of losing in Arizona? I think that three straight losing seasons doesn't bode well for our opportunities. I thank Denny for the core of players that we have now, but the fact remains that he's a terrible in game coach who has a soft undisciplined team. We need a guy like Ron Rivera who can provide this team with some toughness and discipline, not to mention give us some defense.

The Chicago defense is a product of their schedule. They have played only 4 teams in the top 50% of offensive production, 4 in the top 66%, and the other 7 have been in the bottom third. There is no doubt that the system is working, but look at the competition.

You saw first hand the weaknesses exposed in the Chicago Defense as we ripped them to shreds......I honestly believe that if we would have stayed aggressive, we would have scored +40 points.

[Steve85308]

Can't think of one

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The Chicago defense is a product of their schedule. They have played only 4 teams in the top 50% of offensive production, 4 in the top 66%, and the other 7 have been in the bottom third. There is no doubt that the system is working, but look at the competition.

You saw first hand the weaknesses exposed in the Chicago Defense as we ripped them to shreds......I honestly believe that if we would have stayed aggressive, we would have scored +40 points.

I disagree on the schedule part, this year perhaps, but they've always had a great defense (I believe they're number two in the league, and were number one until all of the injuries).

Part of the reason we scored so many points is Mike Brown was injured in the game, and even then we only scored 23. Hypothetical's don't matter because they shut us down in the second half, showing second half adjustments, something that Denny can't even do.

[arizona_cards_11]

Last year there offensive schedule was even easier than this year, and when you look at the results, I think they went 1-4 on games when the offensive opponent was in the top 50% and they were scoring +21......

I'm sorry, I might be a little bias because I'm drinking the haterade since a few of my good friends brag about the Bears non-stop and I have to bring them back down to earth.

[GoodyearCardsFan]

Like anyone would take the SF 9ers over our team...please....they got lucky in a lot of games. Cards are a better team than all of them.

This is precisely the reason D. Green should be kicked to the curb. The Cards have more talent than most of the other teams, and Green has no idea how to win with them.

[gabe]

We have won on the road, which is new.
We have shored up the run defense which is good.
We have a 1000 yard rusher
We have a 1000 yard WR and one that's close.
The offense is finally beginning to click and we are seeing signs of DG's offense.
We are learning how to win finally, the losing culture and mentality is finally beginning to dissipate.

I believe with some key players in FA and the draft, which DG has shown some knowledge in, we can improve more. I would like to see us go after some more coverage guys as I see our secondary as mainly run stoppers. We should look at picking up a monster DE or OLB.

This team is finally showing signs of confidence and swagger and I am hesitant to blow it up and begin from scratch. We would be looking at a new system, new coaches, and NEW PLAYERS.

[pg13]

Denny Green is a gutless leader, who blames everyone else for HIS failures. He may have an eye for talent but has shown little ablity to know how to prepare it and use it. That he's shown NO character as a leader IS the reason he SHOULD be fired. This is a man who goes to sleep with a lit cigarette, burns the house down, then blame the liquor store, the tabaco company and finally the cigarette it self for not knowing it should have gone on when he went to sleep. It's the cigarettes fault! That IS his character. This guy shouldn't be allowed to walk the dog, let alone coach a team.

[Dr.Jack]

It took Holmgren 7yrs.to get to SB after he won at GB.I believe DG will be back.The coaching staff has finally put most of the pieces together and with a few additions in FA and the draft will have a playoff team next year.To start over with a new HC,a new system and new ***'t coaches to me would be insanity.

[Saturn5]

It took Holmgren 7yrs.to get to SB after he won at GB.I believe DG will be back.The coaching staff has finally put most of the pieces together and with a few additions in FA and the draft will have a playoff team next year.To start over with a new HC,a new system and new ***'t coaches to me would be insanity.

Mike Holmgren NEVER had a losing season in Green Bay. And has only experienced 2 losing seasons out of 8 years in Seattle.

Not a close comparison at all!

[Fiasco]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.

Fire Green and you'll guarentee another non playoff year.

only 2 guys in the history of the game have done it and luck has never been on our side.

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.

What does what Mangini and your bit of history have to do with Dennis Green? Greens first year happened 2 seasons ago....

[ItsInTheCards]

Well, actually Marvin Lewis didn't achieve a winning season until his third year, so he didn't exactly fit the parameters of what I was talking about. But you're right, he only further proves the point of how the success that new coaches often achieve is not all that uncommon. And it's even more impressive that he has not had a single losing season in the years he's been there. 8-8, 8-8, 11-5, 8-7
As a matter of fact, it is actually more the norm that a new coach will get a winning season in the first 1-3 years. Denny is really the exception to the rule.
And if he enters his fourth year here, it will be a rare event indeed in the NFL for a coach, any coach to remain employed after 3 straight losing seasons. Especially that it occurs at the beginning of his tenure. Wouldn't it be just like the cardinals to once again set the standard for futility by keeping him on board.


well, my point was more along the lines of turning around a franchise that had so many losing seasons, and cashed in with an 8-8 right away....something Denny hasn't even sniffed in 3 years

[Saturn5]

well, my point was more along the lines of turning around a franchise that had so many losing seasons, and cashed in with an 8-8 right away....something Denny hasn't even sniffed in 3 years

Exactly. if denny had two 8-8 seasons and then got to 10-6 this year, the case is very easy to make to keep him employed for a fourth season and perhaps even beyond.

But three losing seasons in a row, never having won more than 6 games in a single year. That is a pink slip, and no case can be made to save his job.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Exactly. if denny had two 8-8 seasons and then got to 10-6 this year, the case is very easy to make to keep him employed for a fourth season and perhaps even beyond.

But three losing seasons in a row, never having won more than 6 games in a single year. That is a pink slip, and no case can be made to save his job.

Bingo. It's incredibly rare to have a coach stay one another year after three losing seasons. This is common practice in the NFL, it's three strikes and you're out.

[ItsInTheCards]

Bingo. It's incredibly rare to have a coach stay one another year after three losing seasons. This is common practice in the NFL, it's three strikes and you're out.

or in the case of Romeo Crennel....2 strikes :wink:

what these Denny apologists fail to realize is that the Cards failed miserably when the games mattered. Once they came back from the bye and got blitzed at home, the season was over.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I agree, I think Dennis Green should stay, as long as he continues to move the team forward. If I'm the Bidwills I tell Green, you Make the playoffs, or your out...

Given that he's in the last year of his contract that would be a pretty meaningless threat. A more positive approach is to guarantee an extension if he makes the playoffs.

[Hollywood]

or in the case of Romeo Crennel....2 strikes :wink:

what these Denny apologists fail to realize is that the Cards failed miserably when the games mattered. Once they came back from the bye and got blitzed at home, the season was over.

Funny, I was just thinking that what you fail to realize is that its harder to keep motivated when the games "don't matter" yet somehow this team is playing with all kinds of motavation.

[jfig]

whoever the new coach is next year, if he keeps the team intact, he is going to look like an absolute genious when we get to the playoffs. all at the expense of firing Green, who built this program......Not to say that I think he should stay (I'm actually not sure what side of the fence I'm on), but as others have mentioned here already, I have never seen an Arizona Cardinals team as close to becoming a powerhouse as this team is capable of becoming.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Funny, I was just thinking that what you fail to realize is that its harder to keep motivated when the games "don't matter" yet somehow this team is playing with all kinds of motavation.

Who was motivating them after the Bears loss when we played absolutely abhorrently against Green Bay and Oakland. I'm tired of all of these meaningless wins when it doesn't matter anymore. Denny was gone after we were eliminated from playoff contention and got whooped by the worst team in the NFL.

[Saturn5]

Funny, I was just thinking that what you fail to realize is that its harder to keep motivated when the games "don't matter" yet somehow this team is playing with all kinds of motavation.

For a young team (like the cardinals) it's the opposite.

When the games matter, that's more pressure hence playing tighter and making more mistakes. That's why they need coaching to get through those pressure games. When the pressure's off, younger players can play more relaxed, and it's easier to get up for those kind of games, even when you don't have good coaching.

For a veteran team, the meaningful games are the easiest to be motivated for. When the games are meaningless, the veterans get bored.

Bottom line is, Denny is not able to get his team up for the games that count. At least not a young Cardinal squad. He's had three seasons to prove he could do it, and he has not made it happen. No matter the circumstances, no matter the players he's used, no matter how full or empty the stadium has been, he's not got the job done. Simple as that. 3 losing seasons in a row gets him an exit.

[ItsInTheCards]

Funny, I was just thinking that what you fail to realize is that its harder to keep motivated when the games "don't matter" yet somehow this team is playing with all kinds of motavation.

funny, explain the Denver game....please

the Cards beat TERRIBLE teams, teams with a combined 23-37 record, thats not some great accomplishment

the Seahawks have to back into the playoffs, certainly not the mark of a good team, especially losing back to back home games

the Cards got BLOWN OUT in the Cowboys game at home after the bye, when they had 2 weeks to prepare, and then got throughly outplayed, outcoached, and outmuscled when a team led by a rookie QB tore them to shreds.

beating bad and a mediocre playoff team at home shows nothing, especially when they have wilted against the stronger teams

[Hollywood]

For a young team (like the cardinals) it's the opposite.

When the games matter, that's more pressure hence playing tighter and making more mistakes. That's why they need coaching to get through those pressure games. When the pressure's off, younger players can play more relaxed, and it's easier to get up for those kind of games, even when you don't have good coaching.

For a veteran team, the meaningful games are the easiest to be motivated for. When the games are meaningless, the veterans get bored.

Bottom line is, Denny is not able to get his team up for the games that count. At least not a young Cardinal squad. He's had three seasons to prove he could do it, and he has not made it happen. No matter the circumstances, no matter the players he's used, no matter how full or empty the stadium has been, he's not got the job done. Simple as that. 3 losing seasons in a row gets him an exit.

Well I am sorry. I didn't realize that you have the experience to know what it is like to play in the NFL. I must have been out of line when I made my comments. I only have my life experiences to fall back on. Obviously you have some insite beyond the rest of us. But all the same I would feel more convinced if you could let me know what you do for a living or what you have experienced or who you know that you can call for advice that brings you to the conclusion that its easier to stay motivated when there is no reward at the end of the race. Let me know why the rat would run the maze if there is no cheese at the end.

[Hollywood]

funny, explain the Denver game....please

the Cards beat TERRIBLE teams, teams with a combined 23-37 record, thats not some great accomplishment

the Seahawks have to back into the playoffs, certainly not the mark of a good team, especially losing back to back home games

the Cards got BLOWN OUT in the Cowboys game at home after the bye, when they had 2 weeks to prepare, and then got throughly outplayed, outcoached, and outmuscled when a team led by a rookie QB tore them to shreds.

beating bad and a mediocre playoff team at home shows nothing, especially when they have wilted against the stronger teams


Please make up your mind...you want us to believe that the coaches could but didn't motivate the team after the bears game but can't for the seahawks game. If you are going to give them the blame for the losses you have to give them the credit for the wins. Fuzzy logic doesn't work here.

And I agree. Beating bad teams like detroit is nothing to brag about. Those are the teams you are soposed to beat...and guess what...the Cards beat them. They took care of business just like they should. Thats a GOOD thing. Nothing to throw a parade over but in the past we didn't beat those teams. All I am saying is that beating the teams we are soposed to beat is progress. Maybe now we won't be the team that all others look forward to playing against.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Please make up your mind...you want us to believe that the coaches could but didn't motivate the team after the bears game but can't for the seahawks game. If you are going to give them the blame for the losses you have to give them the credit for the wins. Fuzzy logic doesn't work here.

And I agree. Beating bad teams like detroit is nothing to brag about. Those are the teams you are soposed to beat...and guess what...the Cards beat them. They took care of business just like they should. Thats a GOOD thing. Nothing to throw a parade over but in the past we didn't beat those teams. All I am saying is that beating the teams we are soposed to beat is progress. Maybe now we won't be the team that all others look forward to playing against.

But we're not even winning all of the games we should've won. Here are all the teams we should've beaten but didn't:

1) Vikings
2) Packers
3) Raiders
4) Rams
5) Atlanta

So we can't even beat the teams that we should, and we always lose to the quality playoff teams. Forgive me if I don't see any of the "strides" that Denny has made during his reign here.

[WhyNotTheCards?]

:sign: :sign: :bibl: :topic:

[Saturn5]

Let me know why the rat would run the maze if there is no cheese at the end.

It's easy. When there's no pressure.

Players are always motivated to play. But it's easier to perform when there's nothing on the line. Especially for younger players.

That's where coaching comes in, and that's obviously where Denny has failed.

[Hollywood]

It's easy. When there's no pressure.

Players are always motivated to play. But it's easier to perform when there's nothing on the line. Especially for younger players.

That's where coaching comes in, and that's obviously where Denny has failed.

There may be less pressure to performe when there is nothing on the line but players are NOT always motovated. Some of my biggest tantrums have been after games when the players were not motovated to play and there have been many over the years.

[Hollywood]

But we're not even winning all of the games we should've won. Here are all the teams we should've beaten but didn't:

1) Vikings
2) Packers
3) Raiders
4) Rams
5) Atlanta

So we can't even beat the teams that we should, and we always lose to the quality playoff teams. Forgive me if I don't see any of the "strides" that Denny has made during his reign here.


I agree. But I noticed that all those games were in the first half of the season when the o line was still not set. Since then they have beaten the teams that they should. With the exception of maybe denver.

[Oaken1]

It's easy. When there's no pressure.

Players are always motivated to play. But it's easier to perform when there's nothing on the line. Especially for younger players.

That's where coaching comes in, and that's obviously where Denny has failed.



Are you always motivated to do your best everyday when you go to work??
I would bet not, and neither are pro athletes.
The trick is not always motivation, but getting them to perform at a high level even when they are not motivated. That takes time, it is an attitude that must be instilled through practices, games, and meetings.

[Saturn5]

There may be less pressure to performe when there is nothing on the line but players are NOT always motovated. Some of my biggest tantrums have been after games when the players were not motovated to play and there have been many over the years.

Most if not all professionals are motivated to play every game.

whether or not they show it is another story, but they are motivated. It's their life. And once they are not motivated, they are usually out of a job.

[Saturn5]

Are you always motivated to do your best everyday when you go to work??
I would bet not, and neither are pro athletes.
The trick is not always motivation, but getting them to perform at a high level even when they are not motivated. That takes time, it is an attitude that must be instilled through practices, games, and meetings.

Yes.

And so are pro athletes. They may not always perform up to their expectations, but most if not all are motivated.

When they are not, is when they are out of a job.

[Oaken1]

Yes.

And so are pro athletes. They may not always perform up to their expectations, but most if not all are motivated.

When they are not, is when they are out of a job.



Continue to fool yourself on that one Saturn, I have known several pro's and there are many days they, just like the rest of us, do not want to go to work.

When they learn how to be pro's, they will go out and do their job to the best of their ability regardless of how they feel, but being motivated has nothing to do with it.

[Saturn5]

Not being fooled. It's simply fact.

If they weren't motivated, they wouldn't bother putting on the uniform, working out, going through practice etc etc.

Are they always highly motivated? Probably not. But they're always motivated. In one form or another. They have to be motivated to workout and to go through everything they do before the actual game. Motivation can be just going through the motions. That's a form of motivation. it's not a high level of motivation, but it is indeed motivation.

Motivation can simply be an incentive. A paycheck, or a stat or living up to the terms of the contract.
If they're on the field, they're motivated.

[Hollywood]

Most if not all professionals are motivated to play every game.

I would say that most if not all professionals, no matter what the career have motivation issues if there is not a payout at the end.

whether or not they show it is another story, but they are motivated. It's their life. And once they are not motivated, they are usually out of a job.

Its not there life, its there job. There is a big difference for most people.

[Hollywood]

Not being fooled. It's simply fact.

If they weren't motivated, they wouldn't bother putting on the uniform, working out, going through practice etc etc.

Are they always highly motivated? Probably not. But they're always motivated. In one form or another. They have to be motivated to workout and to go through everything they do before the actual game. Motivation can be just going through the motions. That's a form of motivation. it's not a high level of motivation, but it is indeed motivation.

Motivation can simply be an incentive. A paycheck, or a stat or living up to the terms of the contract.
If they're on the field, they're motivated.


Well now you are just talking semantics. Can we agree that for most players there has to be a high level of motivation for them to produce at the top of there game....weather a pro bowler or a third string player.

[One_Heartbeat]

History-

Listening to Sirius they stated only Mangini will be the 3rd coach in history to take a non playoff team to the playoffs in his 1st year with a new team.

Fire Green and you'll guarentee another non playoff year.

only 2 guys in the history of the game have done it and luck has never been on our side.

Keep Green for more reasons than just this one...he IS building a good team.
They're a few easy plays from 3 more wins. and at 8-7...with Chargers being a game we could have been playing for the playoffs.

No Denny Green squad will be competing for a playoff spot, barring divine intervention. And with the superior talent supposedly existing on the Cardinals roster any coach with a clue has a chance.

[Saturn5]

Well now you are just talking semantics. Can we agree that for most players there has to be a high level of motivation for them to produce at the top of there game....weather a pro bowler or a third string player.

There is plenty that has to happen before a player sets foot on an NFL field to play. They have gone through years of hard work, practice, injuries etc. They are well motivated by the time they get to the NFL. Whether or not that translates to high performance is another story.

But this is somewhat beside the point. It's generally easier for younger players to play at a high level, when there is not so much pressure. Older players are more accustomed to the pressure, but it takes younger players years to get to that point. Some never do make it. That's why you often see young players play well in meaningless games and then perhaps never really see them play a major part of the team. The pressure caused them to not perform well. That was the late season in a nutshell for the Cardinals.

Young team+no pressure=high performance.

[gatorplaya]

I want to see how our draft picks are going to be this year... One thing I do give Denny credit for are some great draft picks.