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mexican_fan

12-27-2006, 05:40 PM

He is the worst OL & TE on blocking.

He must be first fired.

Repeat, to hell with him... :biggrin:

Oaken1

12-27-2006, 05:54 PM

Fred Wakefield is one of the most versatile players on the team. Not only that, but he made a great run after the catch last week.

mexican_fan

12-27-2006, 06:07 PM

Ok caught the pass, but the fool didn't remain inside the field. Stopped the clock!!!

Does it serve as something to be versatile if he doesn't make a good work in none position (DE, OT & TE)?

I don´t think so, and you? :biggrin:

I love my Cards.

:Cards logo:

SULLY

12-27-2006, 06:11 PM

who cares:topic:

lukeb4dunk

12-27-2006, 06:15 PM

I have no problem with Wakefield. The guy was a DE. Denny asked him to be a OL and he took the challenge head on without complaint. Then Denny asked him to be a TE and again, without argument, he took the challenge. He may not be the greatest player on our team, but he is a team player.

mexican_fan

12-27-2006, 06:24 PM

BodybuildingCardsFan

12-27-2006, 06:32 PM

Blocking TEs stay, especially when they start to show signs of having reliable hands. Wakefield hasn't dropped any balls thrown to him (even if it has only been two balls), which is a good sign from a blocking TE.

Pope, Wakefield, and some other scrub can be the TEs next year. The 3rd TE almost never sees action, so it doesn't really matter.

andy17

12-27-2006, 09:23 PM

lately Wakefield has been playing more in 2 te sets and Edge running better-coincidence not sure but Wakefield is another guy that is valuable for $ based on different positions he can play. Must be pretty athletic to be able to start at DE, T, and TE in the NFL and seems to play hard and be a team guy. Not the type of guy that should be "fired".

Drachir

12-27-2006, 09:43 PM

He is the worst OL & TE on blocking.

He must be first fired.

Repeat, to hell with him... :biggrin::topic: and so do you

BRHS_96#54

12-27-2006, 11:02 PM

Stupid thread!

Last week he knocked the snot out of a defender on a great comeback block. Do you even watch the games? And if you do, do you know what's going on?

Ditship

12-27-2006, 11:52 PM

Stupid thread!

Last week he knocked the snot out of a defender on a great comeback block. Do you even watch the games? And if you do, do you know what's going on?Do you watch the games? Remember who the guy was that got a call for holding during a field goal (that Rackers actually made!) and then on the second attempt was missed? This right after a momentum changing pick by Grif and then the Cards never really rallied back from this blow? Holding on a FIELD GOAL?!?

I'm not calling for Wakefield to be fired but that play pretty much took us out of that game... The guy has heart though.. something I think a lot of the "Better" players on this team don't have.

Darth Llama

12-27-2006, 11:54 PM

Ditship

12-27-2006, 11:58 PM

If you're going to get rid of anyone, get rid of Bergen. Wakefield has played well, he's not perfect, but he can block and catch better then Bergen. Wakefield plays several positions, Bergen can't play any.I have yet to see Wakefield fumble.. I can't say that about Bergen.. Hell.. Has he ever had the ball and didn't fumble? I'm including the few he jumped on and recovered himself obviously..

Darth Llama

12-28-2006, 12:06 AM

Bergen is the worst TE in the NFL, Bar None.

He flat out sucks in every aspect of the game.

Ditship

12-28-2006, 12:11 AM

Bergen is the worst TE in the NFL, Bar None.

He flat out sucks in every aspect of the game.I've noticed that Pope though in the starter position per the program doesn't seem to get the amount of oppotunities that Bergen seems to get. Any clue why? We've passed the Bergen severall times including key plays (two of which he fumbled) and I've yet to see Pope get any opportunities like this..

Darth Llama

12-28-2006, 12:23 AM

I've noticed that Pope though in the starter position per the program doesn't seem to get the amount of oppotunities that Bergen seems to get. Any clue why? We've passed the Bergen severall times including key plays (two of which he fumbled) and I've yet to see Pope get any opportunities like this..

I have no idea.. it's one of the many things the Cards have done this year that makes absolutely no sense at all. Pope has looked good when he has played, but still gets the back seat to Bergen who just manages to kill crucial drives with his butter fingers. Any other team in the NFL would have cut Bergen by now, but on the Cardinals, you not only don't get cut.. you get increased opportunities.

It's this type of logic that makes us a 5 win team.

Ditship

12-28-2006, 12:35 AM

I have no idea.. it's one of the many things the Cards have done this year that makes absolutely no sense at all. Pope has looked good when he has played, but still gets the back seat to Bergen who just manages to kill crucial drives with his butter fingers. Any other team in the NFL would have cut Bergen by now, but on the Cardinals, you not only don't get cut.. you get increased opportunities.

It's this type of logic that makes us a 5 win team.Well.. I have yet to see Pope drop a pass and the guy isn't scared to catch it in the middle of the field. I was excited when we picked him up in the draft but feel he's been VERY underutilized. The guy is a HUGE target. I thought we got a steal with him as late as we got him.

Fiasco

12-28-2006, 01:20 AM

Do you watch the games? Remember who the guy was that got a call for holding during a field goal (that Rackers actually made!) and then on the second attempt was missed? This right after a momentum changing pick by Grif and then the Cards never really rallied back from this blow? Holding on a FIELD GOAL?!?

I'm not calling for Wakefield to be fired but that play pretty much took us out of that game... The guy has heart though.. something I think a lot of the "Better" players on this team don't have.

I remember that. Didn't that happen after BJ dropped an easy pass in the endzone? Which was more of a momentum change? If BJ catches that there is no field goal attempt for Wakefield to hold on...

Darth Llama

12-28-2006, 01:28 AM

booman141

12-28-2006, 02:06 AM

I've noticed that Pope though in the starter position per the program doesn't seem to get the amount of oppotunities that Bergen seems to get. Any clue why? We've passed the Bergen severall times including key plays (two of which he fumbled) and I've yet to see Pope get any opportunities like this..

There is no reason for Defenses to cover Bergen. In the event that he does get a pass thrown his way, there is a 99% probability that he will try to gain one more meaningless yard and fumble the ball.

Gameplan against the Cards? Let Bergen win the game for you!

Bigredfan

12-28-2006, 06:36 AM

who cares:topic:

:topic: and so do you

And might I add:topic:

Ditship

01-05-2007, 01:51 PM

I remember that. Didn't that happen after BJ dropped an easy pass in the endzone? Which was more of a momentum change? If BJ catches that there is no field goal attempt for Wakefield to hold on...OK. And your point is? BJ has dropped three endzone TD passes this year.. This is something I'm sure ALL the fans remember.. BUT this thread is about Wakefield isn't it?

Tangodnzr

01-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by mexican_fan
He is the worst OL & TE on blocking.

He must be first fired.

Repeat, to hell with him...

Originally posted by Drachir :topic: and so do you

Amen, amen, amen !

kjbad

01-05-2007, 02:01 PM

Just another one of Denny's experiments that likely will end when the new coach gets here... :)

AZBeerman

01-05-2007, 02:05 PM

Tangodnzr

01-05-2007, 02:46 PM

I don't know how Wakefield still has a job. He must have riskee pics of Bidwill without the bow tie. He has been given more chances to find a place to succeed than anyone I can remember. First on the d-line and he couldn't cut it. Next, on the o-line and even on our crap line he sucked. Now he's being given a chance as a TE. Why??? If you have a really good team then you can afford to carry a guy like this. When you are a last place team, you can't.

I think some one seriously needs to get up to speed here.

Yes, Wakefield has bounced around all little, but as much as anything that is a testament to his athleticism and willinging to do whatever is asked of him.

He didn't "such" as a DL. In fact he was the best I've seen in recent years in getting a push up the middle and raising hell with his huge wingspan on field goal attempts etc.

He was moved, not just because he was so terrible, but the team was so short of tackles due to the fat mans shenanigans.

And he's mainly only a TE in technical name only. What he's really used for this essentally putting another tackle at TE for blocking purposes.

So what if once in a blue moon he has enough athleticism for his size to thrown in a little "trick" play utilizing him as a TE. I actually think that's kinda cool, and am finally glad to see something even remotely creative with this offense .

This team could well use more players like him, not less. Not everyone is going to be a pro bowler. Hard working, dedicated, team players are a necessity for any successful team, not just the marquee "super talents, which no one can comepletely stock their team with anyway.

you've used up more than 3 strikes, IMO, and you are definitely "out".
:biggrin:

JayGee

01-05-2007, 02:56 PM

i like fred wakefield a lot. he's a true "football player". there's not many like him. he and shipp are cut from the same mold. they just go out there and do whatever's asked of them to the best of their ability and do a darn good job at it.

fred made a couple of errors during the season, but he also had some good plays, like that catch to seal the second seattle game (might have the wrong game, but he got a nice late catch and kept the chains moving). he also did an adequate job blocking as both a TE and a T last season.

he wasnt one of our best defensive linemen, but because he is such a good "football player", they found a place for him and he just goes out there and plays ball.

AZBeerman

01-05-2007, 02:57 PM

If Wakefield was a good defensive lineman, he'd still be there. If he had even a glimmer of hope as on offensive lineman, he'd still be there. He is a guy that will not be on the team next year and may not even be in the NFL.

Tango reread my post. I never said he "suched" at DL. He was decent at DL. He did "such" at OL. Try a spell check once in a while. It might help give you some kind of credibility.:Cards logo:

Tangodnzr

01-05-2007, 03:08 PM

If Wakefield was a good defensive lineman, he'd still be there. If he had even a glimmer of hope as on offensive lineman, he'd still be there. (I didn't know he was "gone") He is a guy that will not be on the team next year and may not even be in the NFL. (And how do you "know" this for sure?)
Tango reread my post. I never said he "suched" at DL. He was decent at DL. He did "such" at OL. Try a spell check once in a while. It might help give you some kind of credibility.:Cards logo:

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Is this all the better you can do....resort to a small typo as your crutch, since you can't come up with anything more?

In spite of your weak protestations to the contrary I don't think my credibility is in any way seriously jeopardized by an accidental hitting of the "h" key instead of the "k".

In fact, from what I see, I am probably more conscious and attentive in normally going back and correcting such typos, etc. than by far most here.

Amazing, simply amazing.

DUSK884

01-05-2007, 03:14 PM

Personally, I'd love to see Wakefield return. He's a bruiser IMO. Weak linebackers feel him.

az602

01-05-2007, 04:27 PM

Excuse me, but I insist.

I still remember the game in Mexico. he blocks horrible during the whole game. He's stealing the opportunity to another player.

Let us begin to purify the team. :biggrin:

Remember last sunday sack over Warner...

Wakefield sucks.

I love :Cards logo: 's.

Hmmm in 2005 against the Panthers (who went to the NFC championship game), Wakefield was the RT playing against who? Julius Peppers. Not that you would know it, because you never heard his name the entire game. He never got through for a sack. If you have some actual examples you wish to share, then please do so. If not, then I am done listening to your inanities.

crdnl85

01-05-2007, 04:51 PM

Anyone who talks about wanting to get rid of Fred Wakefield,or Marcel Shipp,should be horse whipped.Those are my guys.Two of the hardest working guys we have,and never a complaint.I love our stars,but our blue collar workers are the ones i love the most.

Hideous_Cardinal_Fan

01-05-2007, 05:14 PM

Agreed. Shipp and Wakefield are cut from the same rock. They are team players who do what they are asked and never whine or complain unlike some of our most beloved posters. :Rolleyes:

RogueCardinal

01-05-2007, 06:25 PM

I hope that Wakefield is back as our blocking TE next year, the guy plays as hard as anyone and if anyone ever cheap shot Leinart, Wakefield would be the first guy to throw down. Wakefield is the kind of player where you ever have to worry about him not giving maximum effort, because balls to the wall is all he knows. Also if we release Wakefield I would be willing to bet he would end up with the Patriots playing 3 positions for them, with commentators asking how we could have let him go.

Red Nailer

01-05-2007, 06:58 PM

This was like the silliest post ever and it is amazing how ones like this resurface?

Wack Job!

Desert Heat

01-07-2007, 08:45 AM

If you want to get rid of a TE start w/ Bergeren the man fumbles every time he touches the ball

Big Red

01-07-2007, 10:21 AM

I'm a big fan of Fred Wakefield. He plays with heart and, on the whole, his contributions greatly outweigh his mistakes.

SunDevilDon

01-07-2007, 10:35 AM

Watch the end of this video and you'll like Wakefield http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1692741636

Watch video of Matt and Kurt getting sacked, and you WON'T like him...He made Kurt take a bad hit and barely got out of his stance before #54 (the one that hurt Matt) had already beat him. I was surprised it wasn't a fumble and that KW didn't break something :garfield: