What we need is a good center

[AllHart17]

We could use a good center in next years draft. What abour Dan Mozes :Cards logo: of West Virginia University. The Mountaineers have a great offensive line this year.


Four-year starter who is among the best linemen in America ... has all the physical and mental tools to excel as well as outstanding technique ... has gained greater overall knowledge of the game through experience ... motor runs hard on each snap ... 2006 Playboy All-America ... 2006 Associated Press All-America...Walter Camp All-America...2006 Academic All-American...2006American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) All-American

[Belac44]

Center
Doug Datish, Ohio St.
Ryan Kalil, USC
Kyle Young, Fresno St.
Leroy Harris, North Carolina St.
Dan Mozes, West Virginia

Here are some other options.

[Saturn5]

Kyle Young from Fresno State in the second round.

6'6" 330

Fresno State: A star on the offensive line who Pat Hill feels could develop into one of the best linemen ever to wear a Fresno State uniform ... has become of the nation's best centers ... has been the line's center beginning in his freshman year in 2003, starting 39 consecutive games ... anchors the line by calling all pass-protection and run schemes ... the coaching staff projects great things for him ... spent part of spring drills working at tackle to give home position flexibility ... started 39 consecutive games at center ... one of the best, if not the best, at his position in the country ... been on the Rimington Watch list as the nation's top center each of the last three years ... consensus pre-season All-WAC ... on Outland Trophy watch list. (2005) Started all 13 games for the Bulldogs and earned first-team All-WAC honors ... directed an offense which led the WAC with fewest quarterback sacks, 14 in 400 pass attempts, produced a 1,000-yard rusher and a 3,000-yard passer ... the Dogs averaged 37.5 points per game, sixth-best in the nation. (2004) Played in an started all 12 games ... selected second-team All-WAC after another stellar season ... helped the Bulldogs become the nation's fifth-highest scoring offense (40.2 ppg) and rank 15th in the nation in rushing yards ... was an integral part of Fresno State's record setting game of 503 rushing yards against Hawaii ... made the Rimington Award Watch List. (2003) Played in and started all 14 games ... an Honorable Mention All-WAC selection ... graded successfully in every game, something no other offensive lineman did ... in former offensive line coach Dennis Wagner's seven years at Fresno State, he had never had a freshman grade successfully in his first 10 games until Young did ... held Oklahoma All-American Tommie Harris, a first round NFL Draft pick, to just one assisted tackle when the Bulldogs and Sooners played in September ... cracked a rib against Nevada on the opening possession and not only finished the game, but helped Fresno State roll up over 200 rushing yards ... a Freshman All-America honoree by Football Writers of America. (2002) Redshirted.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Naah.

Kyle Young from Fresno State in the second round.

I'm a huge fan of Young, but I think that we should address the defense in the second round (assuming we get JT in the first, and if we don't we'll get an OT in the second). Mozes should be around in the fourth, which is a good time to take him.

[JayGee]

nick lechey is doing well. remember the last time we started a rookie center? NO THANKS!

[AllHart17]

I think a good center would certainly upgrade our line. He would be a center peice for our the line. Something we haven't had for a long time. Would love to see an offense like the Cards had in the 70s with Deirdorf, Banks, Dobler and others.

[Cardsfan2000]

nick lechey is doing well. remember the last time we started a rookie center? NO THANKS!

Leckey plays hard, but he's never going to be above average... I would like to open the season with the same starting OL, but we should draft a C/OT to eventually supplant (in BIG's case, MOVE HIM TO LG) BIG and Leckey.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Leckey plays hard, but he's never going to be above average... I would like to open the season with the same starting OL, but we should draft a C/OT to eventually supplant (in BIG's case, MOVE HIM TO LG) BIG and Leckey.

Lechey and the new center can battle it out, but eventually Nick will be displaced.

[Belac44]

I'm a huge fan of Young, but I think that we should address the defense in the second round (assuming we get JT in the first, and if we don't we'll get an OT in the second). Mozes should be around in the fourth, which is a good time to take him.

I heard Young might be a little overrated, but everything else I have seen I like.

Kalil might be an option for the 3rd round and the with USC connection Matt and Duece could give Cards some inside info.

[Cardsfan2000]

I heard Young might be a little overrated, but everything else I have seen I like.

Kalil might be an option for the 3rd round and the with USC connection Matt and Duece could give Cards some inside info.

We'll be lucky if Kalil is still avaliable in the 2nd round IMHO. :Cards logo:

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I heard Young might be a little overrated, but everything else I have seen I like.

Kalil might be an option for the 3rd round and the with USC connection Matt and Duece could give Cards some inside info.

Kalil isn't that great of a choice because we'd have to spend a second round pick on him, and he isn't physically suited to a power blocking system. Another guy to consider is Sampson Satele out of Hawaii in the fifth or so. I still like Mozes as the best pure center that will be availabe to us on day two.

[Belac44]

Kalil isn't that great of a choice because we'd have to spend a second round pick on him, and he isn't physically suited to a power blocking system. Another guy to consider is Sampson Satele out of Hawaii in the fifth or so. I still like Mozes as the best pure center that will be availabe to us on day two.

I assume you are saying he isnt suited for power blocking because he is 285lbs and most likely wont ever be much more than that. I think he did ok run blocking at USC and with his weight he was able to get out and move. O Lineman built for power blocking have not done much for Cards.

Again, its Dec and you cant say for sure the guy might not fall to 3rd round. If he doesnt then I guess some NFL GM thinks more highly of him than you.

He could rise and be a late first rounder, at this stage it is too early to say. I dont know much about Kalil, I just know that I will take Duece and Matt's opinion of him over you and if they feel he is worth 2nd rounder then so be it. If they feel he isnt worth it then hopefully they speak up.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I assume you are saying he isnt suited for power blocking because he is 285lbs and most likely wont ever be much more than that. I think he did ok run blocking at USC and with his weight he was able to get out and move. O Lineman built for power blocking have not done much for Cards.

Again, its Dec and you cant say for sure the guy might not fall to 3rd round. If he doesnt then I guess some NFL GM thinks more highly of him than you.

He could rise and be a late first rounder, at this stage it is too early to say. I dont know much about Kalil, I just know that I will take Duece and Matt's opinion of him over you and if they feel he is worth 2nd rounder then so be it. If they feel he isnt worth it then hopefully they speak up.

His footwork and agility lead me to believe that he'll be best suited in the zone blocking system. Although our power blockers haven't done much, we already have the pieces (guys like Deuce) in for a power blocking line. So a ZBS is out. Weight doesn't necessarily mean strength, Mozes is only 295 lbs and is one of the best (if not the best) run blocking center in the draft. Young on the other hand is 330 and is more proficient in pass blocking.

I think that Kalil is worth a second round pick and that's where he projects. I just think that we have more pressing needs than center, which means we'll have to pass up on two better prospects (Kalil and Young) for lower tier players (Dan Mozes) in order to fill our other needs (defense). Kalil will have a succesful career with another team like Atlanta that needs him more than we do.

[AllHart17]

He may only weigh 295, but he has the drive and determination that compensates for other qualities he lacks.

[T.J.]

who;s available as a FA, id rather have a veteran directing our line than a fresh rookie

[kjbad]

I have to say that when I saw this thread I was reminded of what I said last season about the Jets - I couldn't believe they took D'Brick and Mangold in the 1st round last season, but apparently they have solved their o-line issues for a few years. We probably won't get a center, but I'll be watching Ryan Kalil play for USC today just in case. :)

[Belac44]

I have to say that when I saw this thread I was reminded of what I said last season about the Jets - I couldn't believe they took D'Brick and Mangold in the 1st round last season, but apparently they have solved their o-line issues for a few years. We probably won't get a center, but I'll be watching Ryan Kalil play for USC today just in case. :)

As hard as it would be for me to pull the trigger on two olineman with the first two picks, I think it could really help. I thought the Jets made a solid move by doing that. Draft all defense after that if that scenario happened.

[arizona_cards_11]

Lechey and the new center can battle it out, but eventually Nick will be displaced.

LOL.....Lechey is Jessica Simpson's ex-husband.

[kjbad]

As hard as it would be for me to pull the trigger on two olineman with the first two picks, I think it could really help. I thought the Jets made a solid move by doing that. Draft all defense after that if that scenario happened.

It's all speculation, but I'd be very interested to see if the Cards can land Joe Thomas and made a move or two to get Zach Miller to play TE here. Miller & Pope at TE? Wakefield who? :)

[Belac44]

It's all speculation, but I'd be very interested to see if the Cards can land Joe Thomas and made a move or two to get Zach Miller to play TE here. Miller & Pope at TE? Wakefield who? :)

I have actually changed my mind regarding this matter after this season. We have 3 stars to get the ball to on offense and I just dont think a top notch TE is needed. Everyone was saying how amazing our offense would have been with Vernon Davis, but I think we have much bigger needs. Only one guy ends up with the ball on a play and with Fitz, Boldin and Edge I think we are fine. I just dont see us using a TE that much and I think Pope should be fine for that.

I would love Miller on our team, I just dont think TE is a huge position of concern for the Cards.

[Cardsfan1539]

who;s available as a FA, id rather have a veteran directing our line than a fresh rookie

Amano, Eugene RFA Titans
Braham, Rich UFA Bengals
Geisinger, Justin ERFA Titans
Gurode, Andre UFA Cowboys
Izzo, Larry UFA Patriots
Jacox, Kendyl UFA Dolphins
Johnson, Al RFA Cowboys
King, Austin UFA Falcons
Leckey, Nick RFA Cardinals
O'Hara, Shaun UFA Giants
Samp, Chris ERFA Panthers
Stepanovich, Alex RFA Cardinals
Tobeck, Robbie UFA Seahawks
Turner, Larry RFA Rams
Withrow, Cory UFA Chargers

are the potential Free Agents this offseason
No one truly stands out in my mind, except maybe Al Johnson or Larry Izzo

[arizona_cards_11]

It's all speculation, but I'd be very interested to see if the Cards can land Joe Thomas and made a move or two to get Zach Miller to play TE here. Miller & Pope at TE? Wakefield who? :)

The problem is that we hardly hear Pope's name as it is.......what would we do with another tight end.

And you must understand, I am a BPA drafter.

[#1cardsfan]

Leckey plays hard, but he's never going to be above average... I would like to open the season with the same starting OL, but we should draft a C/OT to eventually supplant (in BIG's case, MOVE HIM TO LG) BIG and Leckey.

:Cards logo: nick leckey does play well he helped our line out alot the only complaint i have is how low his stance is with lienart at 6'5 he has to squat real low to get under him wich sometimes causes a problem for leinart dropping back :Cards logo:

[Cardsfan1539]

:Cards logo: nick leckey does play well he helped our line out alot the only complaint i have is how low his stance is with lienart at 6'5 he has to squat real low to get under him wich sometimes causes a problem for leinart dropping back :Cards logo:

exactly, its those little things that can either make or break a team IMO

[#1cardsfan]

:Cards logo: izzo, tobeck or gurode :Cards logo: Amano, Eugene RFA Titans
Braham, Rich UFA Bengals
Geisinger, Justin ERFA Titans
Gurode, Andre UFA Cowboys
Izzo, Larry UFA Patriots
Jacox, Kendyl UFA Dolphins
Johnson, Al RFA Cowboys
King, Austin UFA Falcons
Leckey, Nick RFA Cardinals
O'Hara, Shaun UFA Giants
Samp, Chris ERFA Panthers
Stepanovich, Alex RFA Cardinals
Tobeck, Robbie UFA Seahawks
Turner, Larry RFA Rams
Withrow, Cory UFA Chargers

are the potential Free Agents this offseason
No one truly stands out in my mind, except maybe Al Johnson or Larry Izzo

[#1cardsfan]

:Cards logo: agreed,:Cards logo: nick leckey does play well he helped our line out alot the only complaint i have is how low his stance is with lienart at 6'5 he has to squat real low to get under him wich sometimes causes a problem for leinart dropping back :Cards logo: