24

[NJCardFan]

Does anyone here watch this show? IMO it is the best mid-season show going and probably the best TV show period. It starts back up this Sunday and Monday with it's 4 hour season premier then it's 20 Mondays of fun. So, any more Jack Bauer marks out there besides me?

[dillon1]

I wouldn't miss this show.

[Mibrilane #56]

When life hands Jack Bauer lemons, he doesn't use them to make lemonade. He uses those lemons to kill terrorists.

[Mibrilane #56]

I'm not buying Wayne Palmer as POTUS, though. Perhaps it is plausible within the show after what happened to Logan (Wayne is in the opposite party) but I think they'll probably end up not explaining it because it would be too difficult.

[KidStallyn]

I'm not buying Wayne Palmer as POTUS, though. Perhaps it is plausible within the show after what happened to Logan (Wayne is in the opposite party) but I think they'll probably end up not explaining it because it would be too difficult.

Just like the other seasons.....there will be quite a bit of time between "real" time. I'm sure they'll explain it as he won the popular vote because of Americans support for his assassinated brother knowing that he was killed by the previous current Presidential staff....think about it.....if Bush had Clinton off'd, Bush removed from office, and th eVP takes over, do you think the public next go around is going to support that party.....easy to write it in to the script....And I love how they are brining back the "bluetooth" gang. Looks like Jack gets a FREE card to go hunt them down and kill them. This is going to be GREAT season.......

[Adrian]

Jack is down http://static.flickr.com/53/153034910_6ae7081ad4_o.jpg, but never out!
http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/season4/images/jack_bauer.jpg

Whooooooooooo I can't wait!!!!:exclamationmark: :exclamationmark:

[NJCardFan]

Have any of you ever heard of the 24 drinking games? I've heard some people talk about them. What they do is take a shot every time Jack says "******". You'd get pretty trashed because Jack uses that word alot.

[KidStallyn]

Have any of you ever heard of the 24 drinking games? I've heard some people talk about them. What they do is take a shot every time Jack says "******". You'd get pretty trashed because Jack uses that word alot.

Yoiu could get trashed in the first 5 minutes during the recap......

[dillon1]

Have any of you ever heard of the 24 drinking games? I've heard some people talk about them. What they do is take a shot every time Jack says "******". You'd get pretty trashed because Jack uses that word alot.

I will try this with the new show.:partytime:

[KidStallyn]

I will try this with the new show.:partytime:

Just be sure you have AA on speed dial before Sunday.

[Joe84]

I've never been interested in the show but the commercials make it look like he has some huge adventure EVERY day that he always seems to survive.

Does he ever sleep? Like in the "Lost Boys" or something?

[Mibrilane #56]

I've never been interested in the show but the commercials make it look like he has some huge adventure EVERY day that he always seems to survive.
Each "day" in 24 is separated from the previous day by a large number of normal, regular days. A 24 day, however, is a day where the fit hits the shan. Then, Jack Bauer tortures the shan to find out where the fit is and stop it from committing further terrorist acts.

Does he ever sleep? Like in the "Lost Boys" or something?
Jack Bauer has the stamina of three or four mountain yaks, but I assume that he sleeps normally on days when he's not killing terrorists.

Remember, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to get by Jack Bauer first.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/10/kiefersutherland_wideweb__430x322.jpg

[The Pirate Bob]

It's a great show. The thing that is the most unrealistic to me, though I am willing to let them slide on this one, is how they can drive all over L.A. and still do all they do in an hour. In real time you would be sitting on the freeway for an hour just to get 10-20 miles down the road.

And don't they ever stop for lunch or dinner? I can understand going without sleep, but you have to eat and take a dump occassionally.

[Mibrilane #56]

And don't they ever stop for lunch or dinner? I can understand going without sleep, but you have to eat and take a dump occassionally.
"Jack Bauer doesn't need to eat, sleep, or use the bathroom because his organs are afraid of making him angry."

Found that in a list of Jack Bauer "facts" here (http://www.notrly.com/jackbauer/index.php?topthirty).

Some favorites:

"Once, someone tried to tell Jack Bauer a "knock knock" joke. Jack Bauer found out who was there, who they worked for, and where the goddamned bomb was."

"Jack Bauer once forgot where he put his keys. He then spent the next half-hour torturing himself until he gave up the location of the keys."

"Jack Bauer is the only human in the world with the ability to make Chloe O'Brien drop the personality disorder and patch him through."

"When Jack Bauer goes to the airport and the metal detector doesn't go off, security gives him a gun."

[NJCardFan]

"Jack Bauer doesn't have a firewall on his PC. He has a Bauerwall. It's basically just a JPEG of Jack Bauer. No virus has ever attacked Jack Bauer's PC. Ever."

"If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but Jack Bauer says its beef. Then it's flipping beef."

"Jack Bauer could strangle you with a cordless phone."

"In order to control illegal immigration in the United States, the president installed cardboard cutouts of Jack Bauer along the US/Mexico border."

[Adrian]

I watched the first 2 episodes last night, all I have to say is...WOW!!!

[dillon1]

Have any of you ever heard of the 24 drinking games? I've heard some people talk about them. What they do is take a shot every time Jack says "******". You'd get pretty trashed because Jack uses that word alot.

No drinks last night (as far as Jack goes).

[Mibrilane #56]

No drinks last night (as far as Jack goes).
He was saying "******" on the inside. :wink:

[NJCardFan]

I watched the first 2 episodes last night, all I have to say is...WOW!!!


Well, I just watched tonights episodes and I second the WOW but I am pissed. They killed off one of my favorite characters but the climax of the show was the biggest surprise.

[dillon1]

He was saying "******" on the inside. :wink:

I'll drink to that.

[Joe84]

Chuck Norris would DOMINATE Mr. Bauer.

Why doesn't Chuck Norris wear condoms?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROTECTION FROM CHUCK NORRIS!!

http://mike.wordpress.com/files/2005/12/chuck_norris_1.jpg

[Adrian]

dude chuk norris is ***:shutup:

[The Pirate Bob]

dude chuk norris is ***:shutup:


Is that a bad thing?

[Adrian]

no! but when u say ***, u say it it also means stupid or something like that.

Don't u sometimes say...this is ***!!!:confused:

[Debacle]

"The knife in the kneecap" was intense.
So was the bite in the neck.....
oh and the mushroom cloud.....all before 10am.

I didnt think they could top last season but the show is off to a great start.

[NJCardFan]

"The knife in the kneecap" was intense.
So was the bite in the neck.....
oh and the mushroom cloud.....all before 10am.

I didnt think they could top last season but the show is off to a great start.

Actually, Assan did the knife in the kneecap thing. Jack didn't couldn't torture that guy anymore. Of course, since the nuke was detonated, that's all gonna change and the Jack of old will be back.

[KidStallyn]

Actually, Assan did the knife in the kneecap thing. Jack didn't couldn't torture that guy anymore. Of course, since the nuke was detonated, that's all gonna change and the Jack of old will be back.

Funny how one little nuke will change a guy.....What surprised me is that thier cell phones were still working....obviously they've never heard of EMP.....

[Debacle]

This is my favorite...

There have been no terrorist attacks in United States since Jack Bauer has appeared on television.

[NJCardFan]

Funny how one little nuke will change a guy.....What surprised me is that thier cell phones were still working....obviously they've never heard of EMP.....

The blast only covered a radius of a half a mile so the EMP didn't make it to Jack. As for the show knowing what EMP's are, season 4 had an EMP weapon that knocked power out for several city blocks.

[KidStallyn]

The blast only covered a radius of a half a mile so the EMP didn't make it to Jack. As for the show knowing what EMP's are, season 4 had an EMP weapon that knocked power out for several city blocks.

Unfortuantely....in an above ground blast, the EMP can effect electronics for hundreds of miles not blocks......The nuke in season 4 was detonated in a canyon somehwhere in Nevada.....Jack was on the plane and parachuted out at the last minute.....The nucelar effects were contained within the canyon.....It sux that I had to work around nukes when I was younger....cuz these storylines just dont pass the common sense filter anymore....

[WhyNotTheCards?]

Anything can happen on TV

[Mibrilane #56]

Unfortuantely....in an above ground blast, the EMP can effect electronics for hundreds of miles not blocks......The nuke in season 4 was detonated in a canyon somehwhere in Nevada.....Jack was on the plane and parachuted out at the last minute.....The nucelar effects were contained within the canyon.....It sux that I had to work around nukes when I was younger....cuz these storylines just dont pass the common sense filter anymore....
Ok, sure.

But, what would 24 do without cell phones and PDAs for a few hours? Jack Bauer can't communicate with other agents telepathically.

Yet.

[BigDinGlenDale]

Ok, sure.

But, what would 24 do without cell phones and PDAs for a few hours? Jack Bauer can't communicate with other agents telepathically.

Yet.

Yet being the key word.:bowdown:

[Mibrilane #56]

Yet being the key word.:bowdown:
I think he's going to hunt down Sylar from HEROES and beat that ability out of him. It seems inevitable.

Let's review Day 6 so far. In the past 4 hours we've learned:

- Being the brother of an assassinated former (but popular) president makes it easier to become president yourself.

- Peter McNichol is especially annoying in whatever role he plays - and it's excellent. No one plays annoying better.

- President Palmer's sister is a liberal.

- There are people at CTU with personality issues even deeper than Chloe's.

- Chloe loves Jack Bauer (I'm fairly certain of this).

- Buchanan has a thing for government intelligence chicks.

In the past 4 hours, Jack Bauer has:

- Been freed by the Chinese government and returned to America...

- ... only to be sacrificed to a terrorist's associate to stop further terrorist attacks by a terrorist.

- Learned that the terrorist's associate is actually the terrorist and the other terrorist doesn't want to be a terrorist anymore and is trying to stop the terrorist, that is, the guy we thought was just a terrorist's associate.

- Bitten the jugular of a captor, killing him, and then spit out the neck flesh he has just chewn out of said captor's neck.

- Enjoyed that.

- Escaped into a sewer.

- Stolen two cars.

- Allied himself with a former terrorist.

- Escaped from a house before it was blown to bits by a missile attack.

- Shown up clearly on satellite.

- Got a free subway ride.

- Kicked a terrorist out of the back of a subway train before the terrorist blew up his vest. (Note that "Allahu Akbar!" was screamed by said terrorist just before this happened in the episode, but in the "Previously on 24" recap this was cut out.)

- Found plans for a nuclear suitcase weapon in the U-Store-It shed that was blown up by another terrorist.

- Stopped Kumar (uh, I mean, "Ahhhhhccckkk-med") from killing a teenager.

- Killed another CTU agent and personal friend.

- Vomited.

- Witnessed a nuclear explosion.

Not bad for four hours. Only 20 hours to go. :thumbsup:

[NJCardFan]

Unfortuantely....in an above ground blast, the EMP can effect electronics for hundreds of miles not blocks......The nuke in season 4 was detonated in a canyon somehwhere in Nevada.....Jack was on the plane and parachuted out at the last minute.....The nucelar effects were contained within the canyon.....It sux that I had to work around nukes when I was younger....cuz these storylines just dont pass the common sense filter anymore....

Actually, in season 4 what I was referring to was the EMP weapon in the basement of an office building when he was working with his girl Audry's estranged husband. The subsequent nuke was shot out of the sky before Marwan(Imhotep from the Mummy movies) could arm it.(man do I know too much about this show or what?)

[NJCardFan]

I think he's going to hunt down Sylar from HEROES and beat that ability out of him. It seems inevitable.

Let's review Day 6 so far. In the past 4 hours we've learned:

- Being the brother of an assassinated former (but popular) president makes it easier to become president yourself.

- Peter McNichol is especially annoying in whatever role he plays - and it's excellent. No one plays annoying better.

- President Palmer's sister is a liberal.

- There are people at CTU with personality issues even deeper than Chloe's.

- Chloe loves Jack Bauer (I'm fairly certain of this).

- Buchanan has a thing for government intelligence chicks.

In the past 4 hours, Jack Bauer has:

- Been freed by the Chinese government and returned to America...

- ... only to be sacrificed to a terrorist's associate to stop further terrorist attacks by a terrorist.

- Learned that the terrorist's associate is actually the terrorist and the other terrorist doesn't want to be a terrorist anymore and is trying to stop the terrorist, that is, the guy we thought was just a terrorist's associate.

- Bitten the jugular of a captor, killing him, and then spit out the neck flesh he has just chewn out of said captor's neck.

- Enjoyed that.

- Escaped into a sewer.

- Stolen two cars.
- Allied himself with a former terrorist.

- Escaped from a house before it was blown to bits by a missile attack.

- Shown up clearly on satellite.

- Got a free subway ride.

- Kicked a terrorist out of the back of a subway train before the terrorist blew up his vest. (Note that "Allahu Akbar!" was screamed by said terrorist just before this happened in the episode, but in the "Previously on 24" recap this was cut out.)

- Found plans for a nuclear suitcase weapon in the U-Store-It shed that was blown up by another terrorist.

- Stopped Kumar (uh, I mean, "Ahhhhhccckkk-med") from killing a teenager.

- Killed another CTU agent and personal friend.

- Vomited.

- Witnessed a nuclear explosion.

Not bad for four hours. Only 20 hours to go. :thumbsup:

For the first point I bolded, Regina King is still a hottie.

As for the 2nd, one major plot hole in Jack's escape. He escaped through a sewer in a car obviously being used by the terrorists all the while using their cell phone but suddenly couldn't remember where he escaped from because he went with Assan to try to tail one of the bad guy's cronies to find out where the bad guy was hiding. Seems Jack was slipping a bit.

[Mibrilane #56]

For the first point I bolded, Regina King is still a hottie.
OK, sure, but when she started in with the whole "they're just going to throw out the Constitution!" business, I had flashbacks to 2005.

As for the 2nd, one major plot hole in Jack's escape. He escaped through a sewer in a car obviously being used by the terrorists all the while using their cell phone but suddenly couldn't remember where he escaped from because he went with Assan to try to tail one of the bad guy's cronies to find out where the bad guy was hiding. Seems Jack was slipping a bit.
The car was on a street near where he came out of the sewer/water tunnel into the LA canal system, so there's nothing that says it was definitely the terrorist's car - they had a van when they picked him up.

Awfully convenient that there was a cell phone in the car, and that Jack still knew how to expertly handle that model of cell phone after two years of torture in a Chinese prison.

As for the location of the terrorists, I'm not sure he would know exactly where he was (he had 5 minutes to make his way out, but who says he was going in a straight line, and orientation underground without a compass can be confusing). Also, he overheard the minion telling the main terrorist guy that they had to go, so Jack would know that they are no longer at that location anyway.

Then again, it's a show and plot holes happen. Best not to think about it and just enjoy the ride.

[DesertDave]

- Killed another CTU agent and personal friend


No one ever said Curtis was dead.

[KidStallyn]

No one ever said Curtis was dead.

Exactly.....they only said he gave you no choice......and the medics were right there on him as soon as he went down........not to say blowing out someones juggular wouldn't be a quick painless way to go.....ask Jevone walker about DW......But, this is TV and Curtis may still be with us......the nuke may have woken him from the dead.....

[Mibrilane #56]

No one ever said Curtis was dead.

:eek:

[NJCardFan]

Well, looks like Curtis is dead. Other than that, it seems Jack doesn't get along too well with his family. So much so that his brother was organizing nerve gas attacks last season and tried to have Jack killed.

[The Pirate Bob]

I will give 50/50 odds that Jack had an affair once with his brother's wife and the young boy you saw turns out actually to be Jack's. The first moment he walked into their house and he and the boy looked at each other, I had the feeling it was really his kid.

[NJCardFan]

I will give 50/50 odds that Jack had an affair once with his brother's wife and the young boy you saw turns out actually to be Jack's.

Bob, I'd be inclined to say that those odds are more like 90/10.

[The Pirate Bob]

By the way, his brother's wife is the best looking woman they have had on the show so far. Finally!

[dillon1]

I think Jack will take out his brother one way or another.

[NJCardFan]

By the way, his brother's wife is the best looking woman they have had on the show so far. Finally!

I dunno. Michele Dessler(Reiko Aylesworth) was pretty hot.

http://www.kiefersutherland24.net/S3Michelle.jpghttp://www.beyondhollywood.com/girlsof24/stills/reiko-aylesworth-apr26/reiko-aylesworth-feb21-1.jpg

If you're talking strictly this season, Marisol Nicholes(Nadia) is damned hot too:

http://www.criminonwus.org/images/Marisol2.JPG

[dillon1]

I dunno. Michele Dessler(Reiko Aylesworth) was pretty hot.

http://www.kiefersutherland24.net/S3Michelle.jpghttp://www.beyondhollywood.com/girlsof24/stills/reiko-aylesworth-apr26/reiko-aylesworth-feb21-1.jpg

If you're talking strictly this season, Marisol Nicholes(Nadia) is damned hot too:

http://www.criminonwus.org/images/Marisol2.JPG

I'm with you:exclamationmark:

[The Pirate Bob]

Did it bum anyone else out here in Phoenix after waiting 50 minutes for something to finally happen on 24 last night, that that then break in with a verbal Amber Alert. How stupid could they be. They couldn't wait 5 minutes for the 9pm news to start. Now before you say, but isn't a real kidnapping more important than Jack Bauer saving the world, remember that the woman and child were kidnappped hours and hours before the amber alert. They had all day and night to air that. I got on their internet site and gave them hell for it. They had 7 or more commercial breaks they could have cut in on, and they wait until the only good part of their most popular show. I still don't know what was said over that 4 minute interruption.

[dillon1]

Did it bum anyone else out here in Phoenix after waiting 50 minutes for something to finally happen on 24 last night, that that then break in with a verbal Amber Alert. How stupid could they be. They couldn't wait 5 minutes for the 9pm news to start. Now before you say, but isn't a real kidnapping more important than Jack Bauer saving the world, remember that the woman and child were kidnappped hours and hours before the amber alert. They had all day and night to air that. I got on their internet site and gave them hell for it. They had 7 or more commercial breaks they could have cut in on, and they wait until the only good part of their most popular show. I still don't know what was said over that 4 minute interruption.

There is so many commercials, I put my dvr on hold for 15 minutes and then start watching the show. When a commercial comes up I can fast forward through it.

[LouDawg]

Bob, I'd be inclined to say that those odds are more like 90/10.

No, the old man is the kid's father.

Both the kid and grandpa are taller than Jack and Graem, and the kid's got a full head of hair, unlike his "dad" Graem. Then when the old man killed Graem, I totally knew that he was capable of banging his son's wife.

[Mibrilane #56]

I'm still not buying one thing this season:

PRESIDENT WAYNE PALMER

Sorry, but no. I don't buy that a former Chief of Staff would get elected POTUS. Especially since it's only been 2 years since "Day 5", which had President Logan ostensibly on his way to being impeached and removed from office, putting Ray Wise's VP character in as POTUS.

I don't see how Wayne could plausibly have run for office and won - what, did he run on the "my brother was assassinated" platform? Only in Hollywood could such a person get elected POTUS. Nothing against Wayne, but he just doesn't have the political background to get elected to that position.

That would be like a former First Lady being elected POTUS... absolutely preposterous! :wink:

So far, Day 6 is clearly sub-par compared to Day 5, which itself was something less than Days 2, 3, and 4.

[LouDawg]

All you gotta do is look at Jack's body count. Has he killed anybody yet this season? Other than during his two escapes, the answer is "I don't think so." In fact, he has tried to prevent more bad guys from being killed ("I needed him alive!!!") than he has actually iced. So far, Jack looks like he spent 2 years in a Chinese prison watching Oprah.

[NJCardFan]

I'm still not buying one thing this season:

PRESIDENT WAYNE PALMER

Sorry, but no. I don't buy that a former Chief of Staff would get elected POTUS. Especially since it's only been 2 years since "Day 5", which had President Logan ostensibly on his way to being impeached and removed from office, putting Ray Wise's VP character in as POTUS.

I don't see how Wayne could plausibly have run for office and won - what, did he run on the "my brother was assassinated" platform? Only in Hollywood could such a person get elected POTUS. Nothing against Wayne, but he just doesn't have the political background to get elected to that position.

That would be like a former First Lady being elected POTUS... absolutely preposterous! :wink:

So far, Day 6 is clearly sub-par compared to Day 5, which itself was something less than Days 2, 3, and 4.

I agree 100%. Another thing about Wayne is that he doesn't present that air of leadership. David had an air of leadership. Pres. Keeler had that as well(never said what happened to him after the crash). Wayne seems a bit wishy-washy and indecisive. In fact, he's more like Logan when it comes to making decisions.

[The Pirate Bob]

I'm still not buying one thing this season:

PRESIDENT WAYNE PALMER

Sorry, but no. I don't buy that a former Chief of Staff would get elected POTUS. Especially since it's only been 2 years since "Day 5", which had President Logan ostensibly on his way to being impeached and removed from office, putting Ray Wise's VP character in as POTUS.

I don't see how Wayne could plausibly have run for office and won - what, did he run on the "my brother was assassinated" platform? Only in Hollywood could such a person get elected POTUS. Nothing against Wayne, but he just doesn't have the political background to get elected to that position.

That would be like a former First Lady being elected POTUS... absolutely preposterous! :wink:

So far, Day 6 is clearly sub-par compared to Day 5, which itself was something less than Days 2, 3, and 4.


Sort of sounds a bit like our real president. If it happens in real life, why is it so hard to believe in the movie?

[NJCardFan]

Sort of sounds a bit like our real president. If it happens in real life, why is it so hard to believe in the movie?

Bush had political experience being governor of Texas. Like him or not, at least he did that.

[Mibrilane #56]

Sort of sounds a bit like our real president. If it happens in real life, why is it so hard to believe in the movie?
:Rolleyes:

Former state governors get elected to to be POTUS all the time. Former Chiefs of Staff do not. In fact, I would venture to say that no former Chief of Staff has ever been elected to POTUS, at least not in the last century (i.e. during the "modern" era).

Put the BDS on hold in this thread - this is about the television show "24", not about your political opinions.

[Mibrilane #56]

All you gotta do is look at Jack's body count. Has he killed anybody yet this season? Other than during his two escapes, the answer is "I don't think so." In fact, he has tried to prevent more bad guys from being killed ("I needed him alive!!!") than he has actually iced. So far, Jack looks like he spent 2 years in a Chinese prison watching Oprah.
I'm somewhat certain he killed that one terrorist guy when he BIT A CHUNK OUT OF HIS NECK. :eek:

Also, he killed Curtis.

The body count is low as far as Jack is concerned, but more people have died this season already on the show than in any season previously due to the nuclear blast in Valencia.

[KidStallyn]

ok.....first off...Its a TV show......but yes...I would say it's very plausible that he would become president of the united states....its not just that he was assassinated....He was assassinated by direct/indirect orders of the current standing president...who, by the way, was the opposing party. So think about it....Last years guy was a staunch Democrat.....if the scenario were that Bill Clinton had Bush Sr killed.....the Democratic Party would fold up faster then a soft taco at Taco Bell.......there would be so much outrage by the american public, that you would probably be labeled as unpatriotic if you voted against the republican party....

The thing about this show is this...

1. There's been an insider mole in each season. Me...I betting its the Arab #2 chicky.

2. The Vice President is ALWAYS at odds with the President...Why is this...you think that the Presidential Candidate, would be able to pick a party member who was on the same page as them...

3. jack Baur is the master of torture and will do anything to extract information out of someone. He's shown some leniancy this season in not going all the way as he would have before.....mainly because of what they are suggesting he went through in Chinca......But it's going to be interesting when Jack figures out his dad is one of the masterminds and he as to do the interrogation on him...That's bound to happen at some point...

[LouDawg]

[QUOTE=Mibrilane #56;253513]Also, he killed Curtis.
QUOTE]

That right there makes him a b**** in my book. Yeah, I said b****. I'm not afraid of Jack. What's he gonna do - come over to my house and start crying on my lawn?

Killing Curtis was total BS. Jack chose to an admitted terrorist mass murderer over Curtis. I say give Jack back to the Chinese.

[Adrian]

dude, they needed the terrorist!!!
this Monday, we get 2 hours!!!:bowdown:

[LouDawg]

dude, they needed the terrorist!!!
this Monday, we get 2 hours!!!:bowdown:

No, they did not. Jack should have shot the terrorist and then Curtis and Jack could have extracted all the info they needed before Curtis put one between the dude's eyes.

Think about it....How many rimes has Jack "needed someone alive" only to have one of his underlings accidentally kill the dude? Did Jack ever shoot the underling to stop him? No. Did it ever turn out that Jack didn't save the day, even with the guy dead? No. Jack always managed to deal with it. What about when his Dad shot the guy in the chest after they had broken free? No. But he shot Curtis.

[NJCardFan]

Just to keep this going, of course last night there was an attempt on Palmer's life when a bomb exploded. Palmer will undoubtedly survive but will be out of it for a bit. The question is is Assad dead and what will this do to the process Palmer and Assad were trying to accomplish if he is dead?