Hollywood

[NJCardFan]

I believe this thread is a long time coming. Am I the only one who is tired of all of these Hollyweird elitists giving their political opinions at the drop of a hat? Also, isn't it funny that the only celebrities who spout off about politics are the liberals? You rarely, if ever see any conservative stars giving any political commentary of any kind but turn on any channel and you see libs like the Dixie Chicks, Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn spouting off about one thing or another and others like Al Franken, Bill Mahr, Jeanine Garafolo, and Whoopie Goldberg feel they are such political experts that they have their own radio or TV show on the subject. The only entertainers who give any commentary from the right are Charlie Daniels and Toby Keith and Keith is a registered Democrat and then, of course, there is Ah-nald but he is hardly a conservative Republican. There are many, many Hollywood conservatives(Gary Oldman, Chuck Norris, Tom Selleck, Patricia Heaton to name a few) but you hardly if ever see them on TV, hear them on radio, or see then campaigning actively for any candidate. Now, why do you think that is?

[Reckon]

I rarely notice it but it is probably because I discriminate in what I watch (it has gotten much better that way ever since my kids grew up). Now-and-then somebody at the office will mention their beef with what some star had to say, but I just tell them the truth saying I couldn't care any less about some celebrity's politics.

[SeeingRed]

I agree. It was good to see Dennis Miller on the O'Reilly Factor the other night.

[NJCardFan]

I agree. It was good to see Dennis Miller on the O'Reilly Factor the other night.


But for every Dennis Miller there are about 50 Alec Baldwin's. Speaking of which, Bush is in the 6th year and the 2nd of his 2nd term and Baldwin has still not moved to France.

[Mibrilane #56]

But for every Dennis Miller there are about 50 Alec Baldwin's. Speaking of which, Bush is in the 6th year and the 2nd of his 2nd term and Baldwin has still not moved to France.
As CF2K would say, Baldwin was "speaking rhetorically" when he said he'd move to France if Bush got elected. :wink:

[SeeingRed]

The Baldwins and Tim Robbins of the world make me sick to my stomach. All they do is *****, *****, *****, and never do anything (except funding radical leftist groups) to make any kind of difference; hypocrisy at it's best.

[NJCardFan]

I don't mind, per se, that these Hollyweird elitists have a political opinion but what gets me is that they believe that since they are celebrities this makes them political experts. Then you have the Sean Penn's and Jane Fonda's of the world who go as far as to go visit the enemy.

As for any Hollywood conservatives, it's believed that the reason why we don't hear much from them is because they would be blackballed. Funny considering how these Hollywood types are still bitter about leftists getting "blaclballed" back during the red scare.

[Avondale_Larry]

Ted Nugent
http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/news/images/Ted%20Nugent%2001.jpg

Another damn liberal celebrity who thinks we care about his opinion.

[Mibrilane #56]

Ted Nugent
http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/news/images/Ted%20Nugent%2001.jpg

Another damn liberal celebrity who thinks we care about his opinion.
If you consider "I like to hunt. (BLAM!) See?" a political opinion, then yes, Nuge is a constant source of political opinion. :wink:

I myself don't mind too much that celebrities voice their political opinions - they have that right just like everyone else, that's what's great about this country. Indeed, they have every right to make themselves look as smart or as stupid as they really are. More power to 'em.

What I mind is when they mis-state the opposition opinion or position before proffering their own. It's one thing to be opposed to something, it's another to lie about the position you oppose.

[CardinalChris]

I believe this thread is a long time coming. Am I the only one who is tired of all of these Hollyweird elitists giving their political opinions at the drop of a hat?
It is called AMERICA... kinda like you having the right to do the same thing on say... a message board.

[CardinalChris]

Ted Nugent
http://www.horizontalbowhunter.com/news/images/Ted%20Nugent%2001.jpg

Another damn liberal celebrity who thinks we care about his opinion.
A liberal?
Republican wearing the confederate flag shirt....OK

http://www.tednugent.com/news/northwestern.shtml

[Avondale_Larry]

While you're googling. Try typing in "sarcasm."

[CardinalChris]

While you're googling. Try typing in "sarcasm."
OK. It turned up this...

Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound[1] -- stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's amazing" to mean "that's awful". It is used in a humorous manner, often harshly, and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words. Use of sarcasm is sometimes viewed as an expression of concealed anger[2] or annoyance.

[SeeingRed]

While you're googling. Try typing in "sarcasm."

lmao. Memo for Chris: Ted Nugent is a hardcore conservative.

My beef with these celebrities who voice their opinion, which they are entitled to do, is that they think that because of their status, their opinion matters more or holds more water than the average joe. It's one thing when Robert Redford says something at an interview at a film festival than it is when your Fondas and Penns of the world go visit the enemy and sympathize with them on a regular basis and publicly.

[CardinalChris]

lmao. Memo for Chris: Ted Nugent is a hardcore conservative.
Ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was really confused.

[SeeingRed]

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was really confused.

:ok: :exclamationmark:

[iacardsfan]

I believe this thread is a long time coming. Am I the only one who is tired of all of these Hollyweird elitists giving their political opinions at the drop of a hat? Also, isn't it funny that the only celebrities who spout off about politics are the liberals? You rarely, if ever see any conservative stars giving any political commentary of any kind but turn on any channel and you see libs like the Dixie Chicks, Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn spouting off about one thing or another and others like Al Franken, Bill Mahr, Jeanine Garafolo, and Whoopie Goldberg feel they are such political experts that they have their own radio or TV show on the subject. The only entertainers who give any commentary from the right are Charlie Daniels and Toby Keith and Keith is a registered Democrat and then, of course, there is Ah-nald but he is hardly a conservative Republican. There are many, many Hollywood conservatives(Gary Oldman, Chuck Norris, Tom Selleck, Patricia Heaton to name a few) but you hardly if ever see them on TV, hear them on radio, or see then campaigning actively for any candidate. Now, why do you think that is?

I can only presume you're implying that the so-called liberal media is reporting on the liberal views of liberal stars, but holding back on reporting the conservative views of conservative stars.

What exactly would you propose doing about this? There's no legal recourse you can take without blatantly disregarding the first amendment. You could stop watching/listening/reading what they have to say, but there's still a bunch of other people who do.

There's clearly something of a market for magazines and newscasts reporting what a movie star thinks about politics. If more people felt the same way you did, the ratings or subscriptions for the media reporting this would decline, and media reporting right-wing points of view would prosper. Maybe FNC can start a celebrity news hour where they report on what Norris, Heaton and Oldman think about Jesus, gays and the Iraq War. (Seriously? Gary Oldman? Do you think he's anywhere near the star that, say, Brad Pitt is?)

Air America is tanking as many expected, because liberals don't listen to talk radio. If Franken et al. want to throw away their money financing something like that, why would you want to stop them? Do you hate free markets?

Finally, do you not consider guys like Rush and O'Reilly entertainers? My father - who is as dyed-in-the-wool Republican as they come - certainly does. Why is what O'Reilly or Limbaugh thinks so much more important than what Franken or Garafolo think? They've all got the same qualifications to comment on politics as far as I'm concerned.

[Avondale Red Rage]

The Baldwins and Tim Robbins of the world make me sick to my stomach. All they do is *****, *****, *****, and never do anything (except funding radical leftist groups) to make any kind of difference; hypocrisy at it's best.

Maybe they should just stick to ****** on message boards?

[Avondale_Larry]

I can only presume you're implying that the so-called liberal media is reporting on the liberal views of liberal stars, but holding back on reporting the conservative views of conservative stars.

What exactly would you propose doing about this? There's no legal recourse you can take without blatantly disregarding the first amendment. You could stop watching/listening/reading what they have to say, but there's still a bunch of other people who do.

There's clearly something of a market for magazines and newscasts reporting what a movie star thinks about politics. If more people felt the same way you did, the ratings or subscriptions for the media reporting this would decline, and media reporting right-wing points of view would prosper. Maybe FNC can start a celebrity news hour where they report on what Norris, Heaton and Oldman think about Jesus, gays and the Iraq War. (Seriously? Gary Oldman? Do you think he's anywhere near the star that, say, Brad Pitt is?)

Air America is tanking as many expected, because liberals don't listen to talk radio. If Franken et al. want to throw away their money financing something like that, why would you want to stop them? Do you hate free markets?

Finally, do you not consider guys like Rush and O'Reilly entertainers? My father - who is as dyed-in-the-wool Republican as they come - certainly does. Why is what O'Reilly or Limbaugh thinks so much more important than what Franken or Garafolo think? They've all got the same qualifications to comment on politics as far as I'm concerned.

I agree.

There are rare opportunities to influence celebrity "pundits." In the case of the Dixie Chicks, when they blabbed about GWB, they should've realized large sections of their audience would take offense. They've paid for it financially, whether they admit it or not.

But most blowhards, like the ones mentioned above, only play to their base, and become more popular because of it.

[NJCardFan]

It's funny how the libs on these boards take what they want from what one posts. Where did I say it wasn't ok for Hollyweird to have their political opinions? What I was saying is that there is such a disparity between liberals and conservatives in Hollywood and how only the libs seem to get their say.

What exactly would you propose doing about this? There's no legal recourse you can take without blatantly disregarding the first amendment. You could stop watching/listening/reading what they have to say, but there's still a bunch of other people who do.
I don't want any legal recourse. I'm still kind of confused on this position of yours. As for their comments, it seems as if, and this has been stated by someone else, that these Hollyweird elitists for some reason feel that since they are famous that their political views are more important than mine when we both have the same qualifications: we're interested in politics but I don't claim to be some expert who feels their opinion is more qualified than some career political analyst. Also, FYI, since I am not congress so the 1st amendment does not apply(I wish some of you people would actually read the 1st amendment before throwing it out like breadcrumbs).

There's clearly something of a market for magazines and newscasts reporting what a movie star thinks about politics. If more people felt the same way you did, the ratings or subscriptions for the media reporting this would decline, and media reporting right-wing points of view would prosper. Maybe FNC can start a celebrity news hour where they report on what Norris, Heaton and Oldman think about Jesus, gays and the Iraq War. (Seriously? Gary Oldman? Do you think he's anywhere near the star that, say, Brad Pitt is?)
So, just because people want to hear what they say, does that make them right? There is a serious problem in this country when it comes to hero worship and obsession with these celebrities. I guess since the people want to know what they eat and who they sleep with, this makes celebs experts in food and sex, huh? As for Oldman v. Pitt, is Oldman as big a star as Pitt? No, but he can certainly act circles around Pitt.

Air America is tanking as many expected, because liberals don't listen to talk radio. If Franken et al. want to throw away their money financing something like that, why would you want to stop them? Do you hate free markets?
Actually, the reason why Air America tanked is because in an interactive medium like talk radio, libs would actually have to answer tough questions and respond with facts, something that they cannot do. As for the station itself, I was all for it but since it failed miserably, the left is going to use this to reincarnate the Fairness Doctrine. Oh, the liberal talk station on Sirius seems to be doing ok. Maybe people just didn't think Franken and Garafalo don't make good radio hosts.

Finally, do you not consider guys like Rush and O'Reilly entertainers? My father - who is as dyed-in-the-wool Republican as they come - certainly does. Why is what O'Reilly or Limbaugh thinks so much more important than what Franken or Garafolo think? They've all got the same qualifications to comment on politics as far as I'm concerned
Um, exactly how many movies have Rush and O'Reilly made? As for their qualifications, O'Reilly has a B.A. in History and also had worked his way through the ranks of journalism. He has also worked for network television with CBS and ABC. Rush also worked his way up in radio and television and it was through his personality and shoot from the hip demeanor that has made him what he is. Franken and Garafolo started on SNL. I'm not saying they are not talented. I'm saying what makes them all of a sudden political experts?

As for your little "so called" liberal media jab. Only a liberal would deny any bias exists.

[Avondale_Larry]

Actually, the reason why Air America tanked is because in an interactive medium like talk radio, libs would actually have to answer tough questions and respond with facts, something that they cannot do.


That is hilarious. Coming from a guy that put me on his "ignore" list simply because he grew tired of me bringing up his twisted logic and straw man arguments.

[SeeingRed]

Maybe they should just stick to ****** on message boards?

Maybe they should stop being hypocrites and make some effort to right what is wrong in their mind. I only know of a handful of celebrities/athletes who have made any kind of push to fight for what they believe in; Arnold, Jesse Ventura, Lynn Swann, Charles Barkley to name a few.

[iacardsfan]

It's funny how the libs on these boards take what they want from what one posts. Where did I say it wasn't ok for Hollyweird to have their political opinions? What I was saying is that there is such a disparity between liberals and conservatives in Hollywood and how only the libs seem to get their say.

And I contend that O'Reilly and Limbaugh are just as much a part of the entertainment industry as Pitt, Robbins, etc. - I don't think there's a problem with O'Reilly getting his say. Again, when you say "only liberal movie stars get their say", I say "Markets at work". Obviously not many people care what Gary Oldman has to say. Maybe if Brad Pitt was a conservative, we'd hear more conservative views from Hollywood stars.

I don't want any legal recourse. I'm still kind of confused on this position of yours. As for their comments, it seems as if, and this has been stated by someone else, that these Hollyweird elitists for some reason feel that since they are famous that their political views are more important than mine when we both have the same qualifications: we're interested in politics but I don't claim to be some expert who feels their opinion is more qualified than some career political analyst. Also, FYI, since I am not congress so the 1st amendment does not apply(I wish some of you people would actually read the 1st amendment before throwing it out like breadcrumbs).

It's always tough to tell a person's views when he starts grousing about movie stars as political commentors. Certainly we're not that far removed, time-wise, from McCarthy's secret list of Hollywood's communist sympathizers. I had gotten the impression that you wished Congress would do something about it, perhaps making Us Weekly give equal time to liberal and conservative movie stars. Many conservatives, David Horowitz being the most prominent and vocal example, have suggested that exactly this sort of thing be done with the hiring of certain governmental employees (often times with disregard for how qualified the prospective employees might be).

So, just because people want to hear what they say, does that make them right? There is a serious problem in this country when it comes to hero worship and obsession with these celebrities. I guess since the people want to know what they eat and who they sleep with, this makes celebs experts in food and sex, huh? As for Oldman v. Pitt, is Oldman as big a star as Pitt? No, but he can certainly act circles around Pitt.

Does it make them right? Not necessarily. Does it mean that what people want to hear about is what's going to be reported? Yes. Not many people in the US especially care about the price of a pound of rice in China, so it doesn't get reported. Not many people care about what Tom Selleck thinks about politics, so it doesn't get reported. People seem (quite bizarrely, in my opinion) to care about nearly everything about Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc think about anything, so that gets reported.

Michael Jordan endorses a shoe, people want to wear said shoe. Obviously, movie stars hope that if they endorse a political candidate, people will consider the candidate more favorably. I could say "Nikes don't fit me well, therefore I won't buy them even though I like Jordan", you can say "I disagree with Tim Robbin's politics, therefore I won't vote for his candidate even though I like The Shawshank Redemption". This really isn't a difficult concept, unless you have trouble thinking for yourself.

Actually, the reason why Air America tanked is because in an interactive medium like talk radio, libs would actually have to answer tough questions and respond with facts, something that they cannot do. As for the station itself, I was all for it but since it failed miserably, the left is going to use this to reincarnate the Fairness Doctrine. Oh, the liberal talk station on Sirius seems to be doing ok. Maybe people just didn't think Franken and Garafalo don't make good radio hosts.

And if people didn't think Franken and Garafolo were good hosts, then the market did it's job, didn't it?

Um, exactly how many movies have Rush and O'Reilly made? As for their qualifications, O'Reilly has a B.A. in History and also had worked his way through the ranks of journalism. He has also worked for network television with CBS and ABC. Rush also worked his way up in radio and television and it was through his personality and shoot from the hip demeanor that has made him what he is. Franken and Garafolo started on SNL. I'm not saying they are not talented. I'm saying what makes them all of a sudden political experts?

I don't see what Rush and Bill's failure to make movies has to do with anything. Working one's way up the radio/TV chain isn't any more of a qualification for political commentary than starring on SNL. They're still entertainers as far as I am concerned. Having a B.A. in history makes him as qualified to comment on politics as some of my college drinking buddies. Have you researched Redford, Garafolo and Franken's collegiate degrees? What if one of them has an undergrad degree in history? Would you take them more seriously?

As for your little "so called" liberal media jab. Only a liberal would deny any bias exists.

If you think it's so liberally biased, then stop listening/watching/reading it. Without a market, it goes away.

[NJCardFan]

And I contend that O'Reilly and Limbaugh are just as much a part of the entertainment industry as Pitt, Robbins, etc. - I don't think there's a problem with O'Reilly getting his say. Again, when you say "only liberal movie stars get their say", I say "Markets at work". Obviously not many people care what Gary Oldman has to say. Maybe if Brad Pitt was a conservative, we'd hear more conservative views from Hollywood stars.



It's always tough to tell a person's views when he starts grousing about movie stars as political commentors. Certainly we're not that far removed, time-wise, from McCarthy's secret list of Hollywood's communist sympathizers. I had gotten the impression that you wished Congress would do something about it, perhaps making Us Weekly give equal time to liberal and conservative movie stars. Many conservatives, David Horowitz being the most prominent and vocal example, have suggested that exactly this sort of thing be done with the hiring of certain governmental employees (often times with disregard for how qualified the prospective employees might be).



Does it make them right? Not necessarily. Does it mean that what people want to hear about is what's going to be reported? Yes. Not many people in the US especially care about the price of a pound of rice in China, so it doesn't get reported. Not many people care about what Tom Selleck thinks about politics, so it doesn't get reported. People seem (quite bizarrely, in my opinion) to care about nearly everything about Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc think about anything, so that gets reported.

Michael Jordan endorses a shoe, people want to wear said shoe. Obviously, movie stars hope that if they endorse a political candidate, people will consider the candidate more favorably. I could say "Nikes don't fit me well, therefore I won't buy them even though I like Jordan", you can say "I disagree with Tim Robbin's politics, therefore I won't vote for his candidate even though I like The Shawshank Redemption". This really isn't a difficult concept, unless you have trouble thinking for yourself.



And if people didn't think Franken and Garafolo were good hosts, then the market did it's job, didn't it?



I don't see what Rush and Bill's failure to make movies has to do with anything. Working one's way up the radio/TV chain isn't any more of a qualification for political commentary than starring on SNL. They're still entertainers as far as I am concerned. Having a B.A. in history makes him as qualified to comment on politics as some of my college drinking buddies. Have you researched Redford, Garafolo and Franken's collegiate degrees? What if one of them has an undergrad degree in history? Would you take them more seriously?



If you think it's so liberally biased, then stop listening/watching/reading it. Without a market, it goes away.

I'm way ahead of you on that one.

[Mibrilane #56]

I'm way ahead of you on that one.
I think many people are way ahead of him on that one. :wink:

[iacardsfan]

I'm way ahead of you on that one.

So, you don't listen to what they have to say, but you still know enough about it to complain about it. Amazing.

[NJCardFan]

So, you don't listen to what they have to say, but you still know enough about it to complain about it. Amazing.

If you haven't figured it out, I've decided to stop debating this issue with you because all you have done was take my words and glean from them what you want so do us all a favor and go out and get us all a nice bucket of propeller wash.

[Avondale_Larry]

If you haven't figured it out, I've decided to stop debating this issue with you because all you have done was take my words and glean from them what you want so do us all a favor and go out and get us all a nice bucket of propeller wash.

Actually you stopped debating this issue with him for the same reason you always stop debating.

When people point out to you the glaring holes in your argument, you take your ball and go home.

[CardinalChris]

Actually you stopped debating this issue with him for the same reason you always stop debating.

When people point out to you the glaring holes in your argument, you take your ball and go home.

Very good observation.
Very east to mute yourself on a MB.
Things tend to go away after a while... kinda like they never happened or were said.

*If I said anything to make a member call me on this, I will not respond because I will have decided not to debate anymore regarding this issue.

[NJCardFan]

Very good observation.
Very east to mute yourself on a MB.
Things tend to go away after a while... kinda like they never happened or were said.

*If I said anything to make a member call me on this, I will not respond because I will have decided not to debate anymore regarding this issue.


Actually, to grasp my logic in why I'll stop debating a topic, do a little experiment: Go get a piece of rope and hang it from a tree or something so it's just dangling. Now, pee up it and tell me how you make out. This is the same as debating some people on these boards.

[CardinalChris]

Actually, to grasp my logic in why I'll stop debating a topic, do a little experiment: Go get a piece of rope and hang it from a tree or something so it's just dangling. Now, pee up it and tell me how you make out. This is the same as debating some people on these boards.
I don't get it. I tried that like you said and all that happened was that now I have a tree that stinks like piss and I had to throw out the rope.
What was your point?

[SeeingRed]

If you peed up the rope, the pee would've came down on you. Or don't you liberals believe in gravity?

[CardinalChris]

If you peed up the rope, the pee would've came down on you. Or don't you liberals believe in gravity?

You liberals... funny.
BTW, thanks for explaining about the pee running down the rope. Personal experience?

[SeeingRed]

You liberals... funny.
BTW, thanks for explaining about the pee running down the rope. Personal experience?

Nope. I've never tried to piss up a rope. I usually throw a few Apple Jacks in the toilet and test my aim.:ok:

[CardinalChris]

Nope. I've never tried to piss up a rope. I usually throw a few Apple Jacks in the toilet and test my aim.:ok:
:rockon:

[SeeingRed]

lol:topic: