Card announcer Wolfley inadvertantly burns team

[hostetler3]

While defending the Cards penny pinching ways this offseason, Wolfley inserted his foot in his mouth. When asked about Seattle's recent signing of two impact players---Wolfley said they HAD to go for it this year because of Holmgren. Holmgren has considered retirement, so there is a sense of urgency to the Seahawks to put a winner on the field for 2007. Of course the message for Cardinal fans is that WE ARE IN NO HURRY TO WIN, AND WITHOUT URGENCY, THIS ALSO RAN FRANCHISE CAN CONCENTRATE ON SAVING DOLLARS.
Bickley's article in todays Arizona Republic "The Art of Pennypinching", is well written and demonstrates that the team should not take for granted the fans are totally stupid.

[CardsFanJoe]

While defending the Cards penny pinching ways this offseason, Wolfley inserted his foot in his mouth. When asked about Seattle's recent signing of two impact players---Wolfley said they HAD to go for it this year because of Holmgren. Holmgren has considered retirement, so there is a sense of urgency to the Seahawks to put a winner on the field for 2007. Of course the message for Cardinal fans is that WE ARE IN NO HURRY TO WIN, AND WITHOUT URGENCY, THIS ALSO RAN FRANCHISE CAN CONCENTRATE ON SAVING DOLLARS.
Bickley's article in todays Arizona Republic "The Art of Pennypinching", is well written and demonstrates that the team should not take for granted the fans are totally stupid.

This is why I don't ever read Bickley. He's out of touch and ignorant to the facts, and only seekd to bash.
Why then, since 2000, are the Cards in the top 1/2 - 1/3 of the league in player salaries???

[DUSK884]

If Wolfley said that the Colts have a great QB, he must then be implying that we do not have one?

I'm not following the correlation here. His analysis of any team shouldnt be reversed to come up with his thoughts on the home team.

Maybe I'm just dense.

[hostetler3]

Ignorant of the facts? You certainly cannot argue Wolfleys comment being accurate. And since you sound in touch with the facts, I would love to see the proof that the Cards have committed more money to their players than 2/3 of the league since 2000. If that is so, I will apologize for my remarks on spending too little.

[DUSK884]

I suppose I am ignorant of the facts. Shall we go hang Ron Wolfley now or later?

[Wide Left Rackers]

He's right tho. I dont respect bidwill one bit. Hope he looks as proud on opening day next season as he did last season.

[hostetler3]

Hey dusk what don't you get? Hey Wolfley how come we are not spending for a winner like Seattle that just added two marquee players? Because THEY ARE URGENT AND HAVE TO WIN NOW! they are----that is why they are different than us.
Figure it out yet?

[DUSK884]

Still haven't figured it out, like I said I may be pretty dense when it comes to numbers. I coulda swore we were down to about $6mill and change. I'm not arguing with you, I just don't think its a big deal whatever Wolfley says about some other team.

[hostetler3]

Cards fan joe said Bickley is ignorant of the facts---I was responding to him---and I will be shocked if his remark about the Cards being top third spenders on their team since 2000 is true---which I doubt he will validate.

[DUSK884]

lol I told you I was dense.

[whiteshark17]

When Wolfey says the Seahawks, "have to win now", he means like have to win a SUPERBOWL now. The Cards still have a couple of years to do it.

[Gee!]

While defending the Cards penny pinching ways this offseason, Wolfley inserted his foot in his mouth. When asked about Seattle's recent signing of two impact players---Wolfley said they HAD to go for it this year because of Holmgren. Holmgren has considered retirement, so there is a sense of urgency to the Seahawks to put a winner on the field for 2007. Of course the message for Cardinal fans is that WE ARE IN NO HURRY TO WIN, AND WITHOUT URGENCY, THIS ALSO RAN FRANCHISE CAN CONCENTRATE ON SAVING DOLLARS.
Bickley's article in todays Arizona Republic "The Art of Pennypinching", is well written and demonstrates that the team should not take for granted the fans are totally stupid.

This makes absolutley no sense..

Reaching..

[cardinalsDO]

This is why I don't ever read Bickley. He's out of touch and ignorant to the facts, and only seekd to bash.
Why then, since 2000, are the Cards in the top 1/2 - 1/3 of the league in player salaries???

The only reason you don't like Bickley is because of his tone. If he was more diplomatic in how he expressed himself, I doubt you and other Cardinal fans would disagree with what he says. However, I can't recall the last time Bickley was wrong about the Cardinals. He has been wrong about the Suns especially last season when he said the Suns would be below .500 and miss the playoffs without Amare Stoudemire. But in regards to the Cardinals in the last 2 seasons or so, Bickley has been right.

[EuroCard]

Ignorant of the facts? You certainly cannot argue Wolfleys comment being accurate. And since you sound in touch with the facts, I would love to see the proof that the Cards have committed more money to their players than 2/3 of the league since 2000. If that is so, I will apologize for my remarks on spending too little.

It is true, and is easily verifiable. I thnk you already know this otherwise you would have posted the counter in your reply.

[hostetler3]

I do not think anyone is "dense", I guess my real issue is that I don't trust that --what the front office is saying behind closed doors...is the same as what they are saying to the fans, media and their own players. And I suspect too many on this board just jump to defend whatever the team does without realizing the realities.

It is standard principle that teams whether they be frugal or Redskin crazy with their money, spread salaries over the life of a players contract to fill out their team needs. The Card cap this year has been purposely devoured with roster bonuses rather than signing bonuses---so the hit is now and not spread across a few years. OT,CB,LB all need to have some quality before the draft---and instead it appears obvious at least 2 of those needs will come on draft day, which puts the team at a disadvantage.

The Cards should be more aggressive because there is a lot of talent on this team--ok so don't break the bank like SF or Seattle, but some mortgage is saying we like our chances now too. LB Cato June would be awesome with Hayes and Dansby, OT Gandy? someone?---you cannot really go into the draft with only Gorin and Ross--if you are focused on results first. CB Not crazy about Hood or Fisher but they would certainly upgrade the team.

Saying to fans we spent all the cap is not in this case the same as proving we are doing all we can to win.
I think this team could win NOW with a little more help....there has not been this much talent on a Cardinal team in the past 40 years----and I just don't want to see the team blow it because they are afraid to go for it and fail.

[Sndvl1999]

LB Cato June would be awesome with Hayes and Dansby,

Why don't you ask yourself why the Colts have little interest in June? Teams find a way to resign their best players.

[hostetler3]

ok Eurocard--where can I see the Cards have outspent teams like Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Tampa, Dallas, NE, Den, SF, Indy, Tenn, etc.....Id like to see it.

[cardsloco]

The only reason you don't like Bickley is because of his tone. If he was more diplomatic in how he expressed himself, I doubt you and other Cardinal fans would disagree with what he says. However, I can't recall the last time Bickley was wrong about the Cardinals. He has been wrong about the Suns especially last season when he said the Suns would be below .500 and miss the playoffs without Amare Stoudemire. But in regards to the Cardinals in the last 2 seasons or so, Bickley has been right.

Bickley said we would have 10 wins last season.:Cards logo:

[Crazy-Canuck]

The "penny pinchers" have so far signed this off season:

Leckey (RFA) (C)
Smith (EFA) (DE)
Shipp (UFA) (RB)
Milligan (UFA) (SS - special teams)
Johnson (UFA) (C)
Holt (UFA) (FS)
Hood (UFA) (C - kick returner)

[Cardsfan50]

I do not think anyone is "dense", I guess my real issue is that I don't trust that --what the front office is saying behind closed doors...is the same as what they are saying to the fans, media and their own players. And I suspect too many on this board just jump to defend whatever the team does without realizing the realities.

It is standard principle that teams whether they be frugal or Redskin crazy with their money, spread salaries over the life of a players contract to fill out their team needs. The Card cap this year has been purposely devoured with roster bonuses rather than signing bonuses---so the hit is now and not spread across a few years. OT,CB,LB all need to have some quality before the draft---and instead it appears obvious at least 2 of those needs will come on draft day, which puts the team at a disadvantage.

The Cards should be more aggressive because there is a lot of talent on this team--ok so don't break the bank like SF or Seattle, but some mortgage is saying we like our chances now too. LB Cato June would be awesome with Hayes and Dansby, OT Gandy? someone?---you cannot really go into the draft with only Gorin and Ross--if you are focused on results first. CB Not crazy about Hood or Fisher but they would certainly upgrade the team.

Saying to fans we spent all the cap is not in this case the same as proving we are doing all we can to win.
I think this team could win NOW with a little more help....there has not been this much talent on a Cardinal team in the past 40 years----and I just don't want to see the team blow it because they are afraid to go for it and fail.


I understand where you are coming from and somewhat agree, but I think it is inexperience of Whis and imcompetence of Graves, not desire by the owners to be overly frugal now that they have good revenues.

Two other considerations: (1) Cards have very few older vets we might cut to get cap space next year, but I think that is balanced by (2) fact the cap will go up several million next year again.

My guess is Whis and Graves realized (1) long ago, but (2) just really sunk in lately, so now they are doing some contracts with "signing bonuses" spread out over several years. It has all basically been a learning experience for them, but I don't think team deliberately doing anything to keep from winning this year.

[hostetler3]

....meanwhile cardfanjoe and eurocard have vanished because the CARDS HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE TOP 1/3 SPENDING over the years---they just wanted to defend the Cards--they didn't expect to have to be honest about it.

[thesmel]

Please praise where it's right, We can still sign away next years money if that's what you want but I trust it will be worth it before ****** signs the check. I'm very happy Dan Snyder is not in Phoenix! Bill has forgot more about the NFL than most ever knew. If Green was our best chance at SB this year he would still be here. Cardinal UP and Take it like a fan! :smallfootball:

[Elminster]

Or, perhaps Whis and Graves recognize this team cannot be turned into a contender in a year and are instead signing mid-level FAs so they might get some steals, decent depth, or, at worst, eat a very modest cap hit if they don't work out. All good teams, without exception, are built primarily through the draft. People who want a team in Arizona's situation to break the bank in FA are like people who want to maximize their car's oil efficiency before they get an engine and a muffler....

[Avondale Red Rage]

It is standard principle that teams whether they be frugal or Redskin crazy with their money, spread salaries over the life of a players contract to fill out their team needs. The Card cap this year has been purposely devoured with roster bonuses rather than signing bonuses---so the hit is now and not spread across a few years.
Seems like a smart move to me. Young team, weak free agent pool. Leaves money to finally keep the talent we're developing, instead of mortgaging the future by overpaying hacks to satisfy the ilk of yourself and Dickley.

OT,CB,LB all need to have some quality before the draft---and instead it appears obvious at least 2 of those needs will come on draft day, which puts the team at a disadvantage.
I would like to have seen a tackle come in, I'll wait and see on this one. I'm going to trust Russ Grimm has some input here and is quite fine with the cards he will get dealt. (pardon the pun)


Saying to fans we spent all the cap is not in this case the same as proving we are doing all we can to win. I think this team could win NOW with a little more help....there has not been this much talent on a Cardinal team in the past 40 years----and I just don't want to see the team blow it because they are afraid to go for it and fail.

Let's see: coaching has been upgraded, depth has been upgraded and we all know a tough disciplined team should have easily been 9-7 with a ROOKIE QB. last year. Hostetler, maybe you and Dickley should pool your money, buy an NFL franchise and spend the wad however you choose.

[Fiasco]

Or, perhaps Whis and Graves recognize this team cannot be turned into a contender in a year and are instead signing mid-level FAs so they might get some steals, decent depth, or, at worst, eat a very modest cap hit if they don't work out. All good teams, without exception, are built primarily through the draft. People who want a team in Arizona's situation to break the bank in FA are like people who want to maximize their car's oil efficiency before they get an engine and a muffler....

I don't (for one second) think that Whiz or Graves don't think that the team can be a contender now.

The Cardinals were only piss poor coaching and lack of execution away from being 9-7.

By that I mean that talent was less a factor then gameplan, preparation and execution. Kicking off to Hester in a game in which the opposing offense couldn't muster a first down?...... Who in that crowd of 60K didn't know that was patently stupid the minute that realized the punt wasn't going out of bounds?

As for this years FA, is there anyone on this board that would send the S, DB and C away we just signed away?

Would you give one (or two) of them away in exchange for the Cardinals making a "splash" by signing Clement?

[lkratavil49]

I don't (for one second) think that Whiz or Graves don't think that the team can be a contender now.

The Cardinals were only piss poor coaching and lack of execution away from being 9-7.

By that I mean that talent was less a factor then gameplan, preparation and execution. Kicking off to Hester in a game in which the opposing offense couldn't muster a first down?...... Who in that crowd of 60K didn't know that was patently stupid the minute that realized the punt wasn't going out of bounds?

As for this years FA, is there anyone on this board that would send the S, DB and C away we just signed away?

Would you give one (or two) of them away in exchange for the Cardinals making a "splash" by signing Clement?

Bravo! :iagree:

[Elminster]

I don't (for one second) think that Whiz or Graves don't think that the team can be a contender now.

The Cardinals were only piss poor coaching and lack of execution away from being 9-7.

By that I mean that talent was less a factor then gameplan, preparation and execution. Kicking off to Hester in a game in which the opposing offense couldn't muster a first down?...... Who in that crowd of 60K didn't know that was patently stupid the minute that realized the punt wasn't going out of bounds?

As for this years FA, is there anyone on this board that would send the S, DB and C away we just signed away?

Would you give one (or two) of them away in exchange for the Cardinals making a "splash" by signing Clement?
Oh, that's not what I meant. No one good is happy just to make the playoffs. The ultimate goal is the Super Bowl. Nowadays, a team that's rebuilding isn't necessarily uncompetitive....the Bills and Titans were in rebuilding years last year, need I remind you....

[Fiasco]

Oh, that's not what I meant. No one good is happy just to make the playoffs. The ultimate goal is the Super Bowl. Nowadays, a team that's rebuilding isn't necessarily uncompetitive....the Bills and Titans were in rebuilding years last year, need I remind you....

Other then you being a bills fan, why does the Bills or the Titans bear any relevance to what I posted? Neither made the playoffs and neither was competitive....

[Avondale Red Rage]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/11/mmqb/index.html

[jimshrugs]

Spending money has gotten the Redskins no closer to winning a championship in the past years than not spending has gotten our Redbirds.

You could spend all of the money in the world on high-rated free agents, but it won't make a **** bit of difference unless the players can come together, inspire one another, force themselves to play at a higher level, and WIN GAMES. One guy isn't going to win a championship by himself in this league. It takes work from the trenches, from the skill players, the offense, the defense, the players, the coaching staff, and the front office. It seems to me that the staff and front office are working together, getting role players that other players believe in and want to play with (ex: Terrance Holt and Adrian Wilson, Monty Biesel, Al Johnson, Roderick Hood). All we can hope for now is that the players react to the staff and that the team's leaders will step up and lead by example. We don't need some big-name player to show up for that to happen.

[crdnl85]

Spending money has gotten the Redskins no closer to winning a championship in the past years than not spending has gotten our Redbirds.

You could spend all of the money in the world on high-rated free agents, but it won't make a **** bit of difference unless the players can come together, inspire one another, force themselves to play at a higher level, and WIN GAMES. One guy isn't going to win a championship by himself in this league. It takes work from the trenches, from the skill players, the offense, the defense, the players, the coaching staff, and the front office. It seems to me that the staff and front office are working together, getting role players that other players believe in and want to play with (ex: Terrance Holt and Adrian Wilson, Monty Biesel, Al Johnson, Roderick Hood). All we can hope for now is that the players react to the staff and that the team's leaders will step up and lead by example. We don't need some big-name player to show up for that to happen.Very good post.I agree 100%.Except for the exit of Big,i am happy with the preseason so far.Go-:Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo:

[lacardsfan]

lol I told you I was dense.

Don't worry I thought the same thing. Maybe I am dense too.

If Wolfley says that some other team needs to win because of ______

That does not mean he does not think we need to win. I hate philosophy but here is my best attempt:

A+B=c
B+C=A
Therefore the answer is----

Who the hell cares what Wolfley says about the seasucks

:Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo:

[KidStallyn]

A+B=c
B+C=A


:Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo: :Cards logo:

Not a math major eh...

2+9=11
9+11 does not eqaul 2


:):whistle:

[lacardsfan]

Not a math major eh...

2+9=11
9+11 does not eqaul 2


:):whistle:


Funny you say that kid, I was a math major :lollollol: Just had trouble with philosophy :banghead:

[Portland Card]

While defending the Cards penny pinching ways this offseason, Wolfley inserted his foot in his mouth. When asked about Seattle's recent signing of two impact players---Wolfley said they HAD to go for it this year because of Holmgren. Holmgren has considered retirement, so there is a sense of urgency to the Seahawks to put a winner on the field for 2007. Of course the message for Cardinal fans is that WE ARE IN NO HURRY TO WIN, AND WITHOUT URGENCY, THIS ALSO RAN FRANCHISE CAN CONCENTRATE ON SAVING DOLLARS.
Bickley's article in todays Arizona Republic "The Art of Pennypinching", is well written and demonstrates that the team should not take for granted the fans are totally stupid.

Your assumption. your interpretation . . . Both equally as stupid . . .
Holy crap, It's Bickley, for F*%ks sake . . .
"BAN DICKLEY"

IMHO . . .