"Another fresh start" requires Brown signing on time

[hostetler3]

The best chance for the Cards to succeed this year is to insert big L Brown in at RT to protect Matt 007 Leinart. The Cards cannot afford to make the avoidable mistakes---such as allowing their 1st pick to miss valuable camp time that could directly impact our season.
It was at least a small reach to take Brown at #5, which shows how desparate we are to improve our biggest weakness over the past 7 years or more. To now bicker over details on the draft pay slot and possibly waste our pick entirely [like Rolle's rookie season] would be an absolute shame. The offensive line will have another new look this year and needs MORE time than we have to gel before the opener against SF.
C'mon Cards, sign Brown TODAY, and demonstrate you are managing this team like a winner.
If Brown has a lengthy holdout, I fear the damage to the team will be enormous for this year.

[Nate + cards 4 life]

The best chance for the Cards to succeed this year is to insert big L Brown in at RT to protect Matt 007 Leinart. The Cards cannot afford to make the avoidable mistakes---such as allowing their 1st pick to miss valuable camp time that could directly impact our season.
It was at least a small reach to take Brown at #5, which shows how desparate we are to improve our biggest weakness over the past 7 years or more. To now bicker over details on the draft pay slot and possibly waste our pick entirely [like Rolle's rookie season] would be an absolute shame. The offensive line will have another new look this year and needs MORE time than we have to gel before the opener against SF.
C'mon Cards, sign Brown TODAY, and demonstrate you are managing this team like a winner.
If Brown has a lengthy holdout, I fear the damage to the team will be enormous for this year.Well said, the 4th pick is signed, stop kicking around a few dollars and get his behind in camp.

[LongTimeFan]

The best chance for the Cards to succeed this year is to insert big L Brown in at RT to protect Matt 007 Leinart. The Cards cannot afford to make the avoidable mistakes---such as allowing their 1st pick to miss valuable camp time that could directly impact our season.
It was at least a small reach to take Brown at #5, which shows how desparate we are to improve our biggest weakness over the past 7 years or more. To now bicker over details on the draft pay slot and possibly waste our pick entirely [like Rolle's rookie season] would be an absolute shame. The offensive line will have another new look this year and needs MORE time than we have to gel before the opener against SF.
C'mon Cards, sign Brown TODAY, and demonstrate you are managing this team like a winner.
If Brown has a lengthy holdout, I fear the damage to the team will be enormous for this year.

I think you need to send this to Segal, Brown's agent. He is the one who is holding up negotiations. He typically won't complete negotiations until player below completes deal and since he is also the agent for Landry, he is waiting until the #7 pick signs to negotiate with the Skins, then he will get to the Cards. This is not on the Cards. You can't close a deal if the agent isn't talking to you.

[SuperCard]

I think you need to send this to Segal, Brown's agent. He is the one who is holding up negotiations. He typically won't complete negotiations until player below completes deal and since he is also the agent for Landry, he is waiting until the #7 pick signs to negotiate with the Skins, then he will get to the Cards. This is not on the Cards. You can't close a deal if the agent isn't talking to you.

You are dead right, Segal is trying to hold a gun to BOTH the Cards and Redskins. He is trying to get no. 4 type money for both picks!! Dan Synder may get impatient and just pay the no. 4 money, he has been known to do that. If that happens the Cards have a gun to our heads.

[lileyho240]

You are dead right, Segal is trying to hold a gun to BOTH the Cards and Redskins. He is trying to get no. 4 type money for both picks!! Dan Synder may get impatient and just pay the no. 4 money, he has been known to do that. If that happens the Cards have a gun to our heads.

nobody said Segal is trying get the Redskins to sign Landry or Brown #4 money..the person you qouted simpley said that Segal is waiting for Peterson to sign

[DUSK884]

Lets not pee our pants over any signings... he'll be out on the field when he's out on the field.

[RCrds4real]

Lets not pee our pants over any signings... he'll be out on the field when he's out on the field.


Everyone is acting like Brown's pending contract with the Cardinals is make or break time for the team! Brown is not the second coming of JC himself, just another very good football player trying to make it into the pro's. Even though having him in camp would be a nice thing for a change ... but based on the the history of the Cardinals first round draft choices, having the player in camp on the first day just doesn't happen.

Dusk884 is absolutley right .... Camp will go on with or without him and you can take that to the bank ... he will be out on the field eventually, if not someone will gladly except that responsibilty.

[aaaaudio]

Sign him today. Come on, let's change the losing ways of the front office. It all starts at the top. Bidwell, do your job and get your pick signed!

Day L8 and twenty $$$$ short.:ha:

Everyone is acting like Brown's pending contract with the Cardinals is make or break time for the team! Brown is not the second coming of JC himself, just another very good football player trying to make it into the pro's. Even though having him in camp would be a nice thing for a change ... but based on the the history of the Cardinals first round draft choices, having the player in camp on the first day just doesn't happen.

Dusk884 is absolutley right .... Camp will go on with or without him and you can take that to the bank ... he will be out on the field eventually, if not someone will gladly except that responsibilty.


It is not the player himself that everyone is concerned with but the "ways" of the front office that should concern you. Wake up and smell the stinky front office. Getting all drafts in camp ontime is like squeezing blood out of a turnip for these guys.

[RCrds4real]

It is not the player himself that everyone is concerned with but the "ways" of the front office that should concern you. Wake up and smell the stinky front office. Getting all drafts in camp ontime is like squeezing blood out of a turnip for these guys.

but based on the the history of the Cardinals first round draft choices, having the player in camp on the first day just doesn't happen.

Didn't I just say that about the front office?

[Crazy-Canuck]

nobody said Segal is trying get the Redskins to sign Landry or Brown #4 money..the person you qouted simpley said that Segal is waiting for Peterson to sign

Problem may be that while Segal is waiting on Peterson, his agent, in turn, is waiting on the Landry signature.

We are thus left waiting.

[Reckon]

They could be waiting on Peterson.

Or the problem could be that the Cardinals gave top 5 money to Leinart last year and Brown and his agent want more dough than last year's 10th over-all pick.

Who knows until we see some numbers?

[NightHawk11and81]

They could be waiting on Peterson.

Or the problem could be that the Cardinals gave top 5 money to Leinart last year and Brown and his agent want more dough than last year's 10th over-all pick.

Who knows until we see some numbers?

Quarterbacks always get more money. The Broncos did the same for Cutler.

[hostetler3]

The Cards front office do not have a strong reputation, and these agents show much more puff [imo] than they might if they were dealing with a perrenial winner.
Graves instills nothing but doubt, and why we have to be contract followers bothers me. OH, pick 6 is unsigned--we cannot possibly sign our guy until we know what the parameters are...... [?] When Tampa signed Adams at #4, they didn't have the benefit of knowing what we paid for #5----wow they must have a mind of their own and can make a decision based on their own discipline.
The Cardinal team has just been "along for the ride" for 100 years now....step up--sign the guy who NEEDS TO START ON OUR OL, and let's get to practicing.
Please......can we leave the "stupid" out of our season for a change?

[aaaaudio]

Didn't I just say that about the front office?

Just backin a brother up. Maybe they read this board of theirs. If more fans voice their season ticket opinions they will change the image of cheapness. I realize we over paid Plummer but we made it to the playoffs and won. Another year with that personel and and and and we'll never know. To their credit though, I see maybe a dozen first rounders unsigned. One man is not going to be the difference between wins and loses I agree. Either way can't wait for some Cards football. I think this year will be exciting.

[aaaaudio]

It's BidwIll. I not E! :wink:

So you have nothing better to do than spell check ? The way he has run this team over the past 20 years who cares how you spell poopwill?

[LongTimeFan]

The Cards front office do not have a strong reputation, and these agents show much more puff [imo] than they might if they were dealing with a perrenial winner.
Graves instills nothing but doubt, and why we have to be contract followers bothers me. OH, pick 6 is unsigned--we cannot possibly sign our guy until we know what the parameters are...... [?] When Tampa signed Adams at #4, they didn't have the benefit of knowing what we paid for #5----wow they must have a mind of their own and can make a decision based on their own discipline.
The Cardinal team has just been "along for the ride" for 100 years now....step up--sign the guy who NEEDS TO START ON OUR OL, and let's get to practicing.
Please......can we leave the "stupid" out of our season for a change?

While I can agree with you that the Cards front office has issues and historically has not done a good job of signing draft picks, let me say that your point in this criticism is off-base. The issue is not with the Cards, but rather with how Segal conducts his negotiations. He is known for waiting until an upper and lower player sign until he completes his deal. With him having both Brown and Landry, it complicates the situation and creates issues for Segal because he cannot do business the way he feels comfortable. Couple this with the fact that his primary "money-machine" (Vick) is losing major endorsements and I just don't think he has been focused on getting his rookies signed.

[hostetler3]

Leester actually said the Cards today are a refreshing look?
Put the car keys in a vault my friend before you take another sip of whatever gold you are drinking. The refreshing new start includes a 5-11 record this past year---that is as recent as you get. Or---we have not won more than 6 games in a season since last century!!
ARE YOU REFRESHED YET? We fired and hired yet another coach and now must design a new start--again. We have had one winning season since the team moved to Arizona--and that was eight years ago. And we are consistant in that we have the worst win loss percentage in the history of all sports, which matches perfectly with our "refreshing past 8 years".
Now add our top pick holding out and missing camp time to the new Cardinal look---and you have anything but.
And to "long time fan" who blames the agent in a classic "tail wags the dog" scenario......now he is perfectly consistant for the Cardinal historians. Forever and ever the Cardinals have made excuses why they cannot compete and it is always someone else's fault, and nobody sings that garbage better than Rod "don't look at me" Graves. So now it is the agents fault and boy it sure is terrible the Cards get so mistreated--all the other teams in our division who got it done--they must get all the sweet and easy agents, it couldn't be because they are IN CHARGE and don't get slapped around by players or agents.
Our fans need a wakeup call just like the ownership.

[LongTimeFan]

Leester actually said the Cards today are a refreshing look?
Put the car keys in a vault my friend before you take another sip of whatever gold you are drinking. The refreshing new start includes a 5-11 record this past year---that is as recent as you get. Or---we have not won more than 6 games in a season since last century!!
ARE YOU REFRESHED YET? We fired and hired yet another coach and now must design a new start--again. We have had one winning season since the team moved to Arizona--and that was eight years ago. And we are consistant in that we have the worst win loss percentage in the history of all sports, which matches perfectly with our "refreshing past 8 years".
Now add our top pick holding out and missing camp time to the new Cardinal look---and you have anything but.
And to "long time fan" who blames the agent in a classic "tail wags the dog" scenario......now he is perfectly consistant for the Cardinal historians. Forever and ever the Cardinals have made excuses why they cannot compete and it is always someone else's fault, and nobody sings that garbage better than Rod "don't look at me" Graves. So now it is the agents fault and boy it sure is terrible the Cards get so mistreated--all the other teams in our division who got it done--they must get all the sweet and easy agents, it couldn't be because they are IN CHARGE and don't get slapped around by players or agents.
Our fans need a wakeup call just like the ownership.

There is a difference between a fan and a critic and you my friend are a critic. Life can be full of pessimism and hatred or it can be full of optimism and hope. You chose the former and I choose the latter. I am also a realist who can differentiate and understand who to hold accountable for situations and actions. In this case, you are just wrong and I think the signing of Landry first strengthens my point. Go back and look at the history of Segal. Do some homework instead of just blaming the Cards for everything. If you cannot see the changes in the last 5 years in the way that the organization is being run and you cannot see the changes in the quality of talent on the team, then, my friend, you know nothing about football and your goal is to simply discredit the organization!

[hostetler3]

Oh "long time fan" you are so smart.....yes you are. I must know nothing about football not to see the incredible changes for the better--it is all my fault for discrediting the franchise when they have proved in your eyes to have turned around the franchise.
Football is about winning, we were last again with 5 wins in 2006. We started 1-9, and have picked in the top 10 of the NFL draft 10 out of the last 11 years. Our top pick is holding out which happens in this franchise 90% of the time---and I have the audacity to criticize? And that makes me negative? The fact you make excuses and believe the team should not be accountable despite being last in wins this century--does not make you look good. Bill Walsh was a stand up guy and that attitude is why they won--what do you stand for?
The first time I had season tickets was 1968, and I have been insanely loyal to this team ever since....but that does not mean I respect irresponsible management, nor should I accept cellar dwellers when we pick at the top of the draft for 40 years.
This team has perhaps the most talent [on paper] I have ever seen [and they should with all those high picks] but they have proved NOTHING on the field accept that opponents ridicule is justified.
And if your so right on Segal in that he cannot possibly sign a guy until the players on either side have signed--how did Peterson sign without #6 in place? How did #6 sign without #5 in place? The more likely scenario was that he respects the Cards less and figured he'd just get to us last and he feared no retribution. We wouldn't pull that garbage on Denver or NE.

[LongTimeFan]

Oh "long time fan" you are so smart.....yes you are. I must know nothing about football not to see the incredible changes for the better--it is all my fault for discrediting the franchise when they have proved in your eyes to have turned around the franchise.
Football is about winning, we were last again with 5 wins in 2006. We started 1-9, and have picked in the top 10 of the NFL draft 10 out of the last 11 years. Our top pick is holding out which happens in this franchise 90% of the time---and I have the audacity to criticize? And that makes me negative? The fact you make excuses and believe the team should not be accountable despite being last in wins this century--does not make you look good. Bill Walsh was a stand up guy and that attitude is why they won--what do you stand for?
The first time I had season tickets was 1968, and I have been insanely loyal to this team ever since....but that does not mean I respect irresponsible management, nor should I accept cellar dwellers when we pick at the top of the draft for 40 years.
This team has perhaps the most talent [on paper] I have ever seen [and they should with all those high picks] but they have proved NOTHING on the field accept that opponents ridicule is justified.
And if your so right on Segal in that he cannot possibly sign a guy until the players on either side have signed--how did Peterson sign without #6 in place? How did #6 sign without #5 in place? The more likely scenario was that he respects the Cards less and figured he'd just get to us last and he feared no retribution. We wouldn't pull that garbage on Denver or NE.

Peterson has a different agent. Different agents negotiate differently. Segal is just one who does business this way!

[Mephisto]

the best chance to succeed is to play the best player whoever it happens to be. That doesn't mean its Brown.

[nflfan]

We argue this every year as cards fans.

I would like to see Graves and Segal lay everything out on the table for everyone to see, so we can finally put these things to rest. I don't know what it means that Brown isn't signed and according to the paper, he is not even here and will take time to get him here and get a physical before getting to camp. Who is really being fare, Graves or Segal? End result is the new head coach doesn't have his top draft pick in camp. An OL player none the less. Seems to me the OL is really important this year and maybe needs a little extra work and attention to get him into camp on time. IMO.

[hostetler3]

NFL Fan---you are exactly right---Wizenhunt and team get hurt by not having all their bullets and while Graves and Segal slug it out after camp opens----Brown loses valuable time that could easily hinder his development.
The Cards should say enough is enough--we are going to schedule appointments with these agents every day for 2 weeks if necessary BEFORE camp opens. I don't care if Graves has to get on a plane and go to Washington to get this thing done. AND--if these agents don't play ball regarding a team that is clearly going all out to create a fair dialogue--then we make things impossible for them after camp starts by lowering our offer a fraction every day they miss camp. I am just making a point--I am not sure about cutting the dollar every day as that may kill the deal altogether.
But what are good teams doing every year to avoid this--can't we have a front office who have friends in the league to help with this process? Meaning how do they do it? They are showing clips of Bill Walsh right now of leadership, mentorship, and doing things the right way---we have never done it that way--is it too late to start?
I am so tired of being on the dumb team, and it seems like such a simple solution to just start using our heads instead of what we have been using.