41.1 rating

[PV1949]

second from last..need I say more?

[Slash]

But Leinart is the future
What will we do without him

Hopefully he turns it around- I love the KID
but if not that why we pay Warner like a starter

[KidStallyn]

But Leinart is the future
What will we do without him

Hopefully he turns it around- I love the KID
but if not that why we pay Warner like a starter


Dude...You're man love for me is quite freakinsh and starting to weird me out. STOP IT!

[Slash]

I like your sense of humor KID and you are probably so hot:wink:
But you know I meant Leinart:rockon:

[PV1949]

think he might hit 50 this week?

[azbmxican]

so how much crow are you gonna eat if he show's up like a all star?

[PV1949]

And how much will you eat if he doesn't? Another post about wait until next week because he is young?

[azbmxican]

how old do you even think he is? I mean seriously, you dog on our QB like he has never done any good for us.

[AzCardsGM]

And how much will you eat if he doesn't? Another post about wait until next week because he is young?

Well go root for Denver... No one is stopping you..

[WhyNotTheCards?]

He started 11 games last year, how many of them were his passer rating that bad? He had a bad game, so the hell what?

[pg13]

He started 11 games last year, how many of them were his passer rating that bad? He had a bad game, so the hell what?

That would be 5 out of 11, not counting the ATL game which he did not start where he had a 43.1. All the others mentioned he had under a 52 qb rating including a 36 with two others in the low to mid 40's. So let's be clear, it's not fair to bash him yet, he's only had 11 starts, but 5 of those 11 have been like the one last week.:smallfootball:

[WhyNotTheCards?]

That would be 5 out of 11, not counting the ATL game which he did not start where he had a 43.1. All the others mentioned he had under a 52 qb rating including a 36 with two others in the low to mid 40's. So let's be clear, it's not fair to bash him yet, he's only had 11 starts, but 5 of those 11 have been like the one last week.:smallfootball:

Well I sure don't remember one as bad as last week. At least he must have thrown for some yards in those other one's.

[NorthernHawk]

That would be 5 out of 11, not counting the ATL game which he did not start where he had a 43.1. All the others mentioned he had under a 52 qb rating including a 36 with two others in the low to mid 40's. So let's be clear, it's not fair to bash him yet, he's only had 11 starts, but 5 of those 11 have been like the one last week.:smallfootball:

That's stunning. Even being a Seahawk fan and taking great pleasure in watching the Cardinal's annual implosion, I do not remember his performances last year being that bad.

[Tucson]

That would be 5 out of 11, not counting the ATL game which he did not start where he had a 43.1. All the others mentioned he had under a 52 qb rating including a 36 with two others in the low to mid 40's. So let's be clear, it's not fair to bash him yet, he's only had 11 starts, but 5 of those 11 have been like the one last week.:smallfootball:

Link? I don't recall quite that many bad games. I remember 2.

[ZOna_Style]

That would be 5 out of 11, not counting the ATL game which he did not start where he had a 43.1. All the others mentioned he had under a 52 qb rating including a 36 with two others in the low to mid 40's. So let's be clear, it's not fair to bash him yet, he's only had 11 starts, but 5 of those 11 have been like the one last week.:smallfootball:

And 6 games which were All over 80%...3 which were over 100%.


Not bad for a rookie shall I say so my self.:wave:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7759/gamelog;_ylt=AsoVN4dg2SGOwxlCZE1PJRz.uLYF?year=200 6

[NorthernHawk]

I think you misunderstand passer rating zona. Its based on a scale 0 - 158.3. So its not 80%, or 100%. Rather, somewhere between 60 and 80 is average, with 80% actually being a rating of 126, and the maximum being 158.

[ZOna_Style]

I think you misunderstand passer rating zona. Its based on a scale 0 - 158.3. So its not 80%, or 100%. Rather, somewhere between 60 and 80 is average, with 80% actually being a rating of 126, and the maximum being 158.

no no...I know what passer rating is...I have just always put percentage signs after the passer rating.:peace:

[pg13]

And 6 games which were All over 80%...3 which were over 100%.


Not bad for a rookie shall I say so my self.:wave:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7759/gamelog;_ylt=AsoVN4dg2SGOwxlCZE1PJRz.uLYF?year=200 6

Actually one was a 76, still not bad, and one that was over
100 was not a full game, so that's a was with the 43
that he had in the ATL game. Again, all in all not bad,
but when some one says it's only one bad game, that's
not a fair or accurate assesment or statement.:helmet:

[red dogg]

matts nfl career average is 71 percent not very good and i remember a few games he should have been intercepted but dbs dropped the ball at least 5or6 times he had 12 tdds and 14 interceptions last year also not good his tds to int ratio not very good well see

[mojo cards]

Here is a statement from the huddler site:
Lastly, Cardinals/49ers - I think many will agree with me, soooooo not what we were looking for. Could be the sloppiest game of the year, even with fifteen more weeks of games to go. Come on Frank Gore, Alex Smith! Where’s the blossoming young San Fran offense ready to turn the NFL on its ear this year! DJax? The D stands for “disappointing”. Matt Leinart is this generation’s Jake Plummer. I just don’t think it’s going to happen for him. He missed a wide-open Larry Fitzgerald numerous times and many of his throws were high. The jig will be up soon.

So i hope there wrong and he throws for 280 and two scores. oh heck just win a game.In the preseason his throws were high. I remember Kurt struggling early last year as well.

[fireplug]

Here is a statement from the huddler site:
Lastly, Cardinals/49ers - I think many will agree with me, soooooo not what we were looking for. Could be the sloppiest game of the year, even with fifteen more weeks of games to go. Come on Frank Gore, Alex Smith! Where’s the blossoming young San Fran offense ready to turn the NFL on its ear this year! DJax? The D stands for “disappointing”. Matt Leinart is this generation’s Jake Plummer. I just don’t think it’s going to happen for him. He missed a wide-open Larry Fitzgerald numerous times and many of his throws were high. The jig will be up soon.

So i hope there wrong and he throws for 280 and two scores. oh heck just win a game.In the preseason his throws were high. I remember Kurt struggling early last year as well.


If I recall Kurt's first game last year he threw for 301 yards, 3 td's, no int's and was the nfc offensive player of the week. He had a couple of bad games after that before he was benched.

[Derek Tyler]

How many sacks did he take last year? Anyone have that stat handy?

[JayGee]

Here is a statement from the huddler site:
Lastly, Cardinals/49ers - I think many will agree with me, soooooo not what we were looking for. Could be the sloppiest game of the year, even with fifteen more weeks of games to go. Come on Frank Gore, Alex Smith! Where’s the blossoming young San Fran offense ready to turn the NFL on its ear this year! DJax? The D stands for “disappointing”. Matt Leinart is this generation’s Jake Plummer. I just don’t think it’s going to happen for him. He missed a wide-open Larry Fitzgerald numerous times and many of his throws were high. The jig will be up soon.

So i hope there wrong and he throws for 280 and two scores. oh heck just win a game.In the preseason his throws were high. I remember Kurt struggling early last year as well.

kurt didnt struggle much at all as far as passing the ball... he just fumbled everytime somebody touched him. i cant help but believe without those fumbles, we would have had a winning record last season, but denny panicked and pulled kurt after a 1-3 start. then we had to suffer while matt lost his first 5 games.

[pg13]

Link? I don't recall quite that many bad games. I remember 2.
Go to the Cardinals on yahoo sports. Click Leinart's name on the passing leaders. That will take you to his 2007 stats. Click game log. Click 2006. It will bring up all of his games last year.
I believe NFL.COM will do the same thing. There I also thick if you click on the score of the game it will take you to the game where you can click play by play and look at the whole game to see how it went down. I hope this helps.
:thumbsup:

[cardazona]

Here is a statement from the huddler site: Matt Leinart is this generation’s Jake Plummer. I just don’t think it’s going to happen for him. He missed a wide-open Larry Fitzgerald numerous times and many of his throws were high. The jig will be up soon.


He needs to improve drastically this weekend to resemble what a starting QB should be.

I'm hoping it was just a really really bad day for him. But, my confidence with him being a consistent performer going forward is shot.

[pg13]

How many sacks did he take last year? Anyone have that stat handy?

14 total. 5 in the SEA game 3 in the RAMS game 3 in ATL. Of note against SD 1. Gee the line had finally learned how to block some, not just for him but for Leinart, Shipp and Edge also. All there numbers had improved dramatically from that.

As a side note to JayGee 10 fumbles but only three lost. None in the last two games. The one in the Ram game caused by the pulling linemen hitting the ball. So no blocking/protection equals more fumbles. That's kind of a :d'oh: don't you think?

As another side note in the first three games he adverage about 260yds passing 7.5 per pass and 65% completions. Figure in a few dropped balls, no running game, penalties putting you at 1st and 15, 1st and 20, well you get the idea. I'm not making this up. It's all there on NFL.COM in the game play by play. And if you remember the ATL game he was getting the snot knocked out of him on almost every play, pass competed or not.

As a final note if you put his two incoplete games together, the ATL & the 2nd SF game he was 20 for 33 combined for about 230yds.

So, in his 4 complete games he had 2 games with over a 100 rating, the other two one in the mid 70's and the other in the mid/high 80's. What does this mean in light of everything? Well it would seem to suggest he wasn't playing too bad. His final qb rating would have place him #9 in the league. Anyhoo...:helmet:

[Derek Tyler]

I remember watching another struggling newbie QB with lots of expectations coming into the league. He was really pretty awful and his team almost never won--but then he turned out to be John Elway. So I think it's too early to give up on your QB.

But you know him better than I do. Maybe you're right, and he really is that terrible.
Tell ya what: we will trade you our newest QB, Charlie Frye--a veteran NFL starter who scored a QB rating of almost 11 last week--for your lamer Heisman Trophy winner who will never amount to anything and is just weighing your franchise down with his high-level salary and low-level performances.
Deal?

[iacardsfan]

In 2003, a starting QB had a week 1 line that looked like this:

14/28 123 yds 0TD, 4INT 22.5 rating, team lost 31-0

Obviously, his team benched him for the second week.....



Wait, no, says here he went on to be Super Bowl MVP. Huh, maybe we shouldn't overreact to week 1. Who knew?

[Tucson]

matts nfl career average is 71 percent not very good and i remember a few games he should have been intercepted but dbs dropped the ball at least 5or6 times he had 12 tdds and 14 interceptions last year also not good his tds to int ratio not very good well see

He didn't have 14 interceptions. He had 12. And who looks at a career average for a player who hasn't even played in 16 games yet???

http://www.nfl.com/players/mattleinart/profile?id=LEI453701

[JayGee]

14 total. 5 in the SEA game 3 in the RAMS game 3 in ATL. Of note against SD 1. Gee the line had finally learned how to block some, not just for him but for Leinart, Shipp and Edge also. All there numbers had improved dramatically from that.

As a side note to JayGee 10 fumbles but only three lost. None in the last two games. The one in the Ram game caused by the pulling linemen hitting the ball. So no blocking/protection equals more fumbles. That's kind of a :d'oh: don't you think?

As another side note in the first three games he adverage about 260yds passing 7.5 per pass and 65% completions. Figure in a few dropped balls, no running game, penalties putting you at 1st and 15, 1st and 20, well you get the idea. I'm not making this up. It's all there on NFL.COM in the game play by play. And if you remember the ATL game he was getting the snot knocked out of him on almost every play, pass competed or not.

As a final note if you put his two incoplete games together, the ATL & the 2nd SF game he was 20 for 33 combined for about 230yds.

So, in his 4 complete games he had 2 games with over a 100 rating, the other two one in the mid 70's and the other in the mid/high 80's. What does this mean in light of everything? Well it would seem to suggest he wasn't playing too bad. His final qb rating would have place him #9 in the league. Anyhoo...:helmet:

i agree with you that it was a badly designed play, with the guard milford brown pulling, jarring the ball loose from kurt that caused that fumble and lost to the rams at home. i'm mainly faulting dennis green for panicking during a season we actually had a chance, demoting warner for the fumbles. besides, 2 of the 3 losses, were to good teams in seattle and atlanta and the rams were pretty much beating us as well, although we had a chance there at the end. i'm convinced warner would have fared well against oakland, greenbay, dallas, and denver, among others where leinart struggled to adjust to the speed of the nfl. DG basically hit the panic button in hopes of saving his job and STILL lost it, so we might have well stuck with warner throughout all of last season. we got a taste of what we were missing when warner had to start the last regular season game against sandiego and had an awesome game with "the gloves". we very well could have had a playoff season, since we went 4-2 within the division.. all we would have needed was like 3 or 4 games outside the division to seal the deal. now we've basically started over and i just cant see us winning more than 6 games this year and ive been an eternal optimist up to this point when it comes to the Cards.

[Tucson]

i agree with you that it was a badly designed play, with the guard milford brown pulling, jarring the ball loose from kurt that caused that fumble and lost to the rams at home. i'm mainly faulting dennis green for panicking during a season we actually had a chance, demoting warner for the fumbles. besides, 2 of the 3 losses, were to good teams in seattle and atlanta and the rams were pretty much beating us as well, although we had a chance there at the end. i'm convinced warner would have fared well against oakland, greenbay, dallas, and denver, among others where leinart struggled to adjust to the speed of the nfl. DG basically hit the panic button in hopes of saving his job and STILL lost it, so we might have well stuck with warner throughout all of last season. we got a taste of what we were missing when warner had to start the last regular season game against sandiego and had an awesome game with "the gloves". we very well could have had a playoff season, since we went 4-2 within the division.. all we would have needed was like 3 or 4 games outside the division to seal the deal. now we've basically started over and i just cant see us winning more than 6 games this year and ive been an eternal optimist up to this point when it comes to the Cards.

Warner had 10 fumbles in 6 games last year. Green didn't really have a choice.

[pg13]

Warner had 10 fumbles in 6 games last year. Green didn't really have a choice.
Again like most people here you don't pay attention to the stat. In the first 4 games with NO protection and NO running game 10 fumbles. But there's a second and 3rd part to that stat. He lost ONLY 3. In the course of that time period her was adveraging 260yds a game passing 65% completions andd 7.5yds per pass, for a 87qb rating. He was 11-20 in ATL when he was pulled. Matt fumble on the very 1st snap! So that was a good idea? Green had plent of choices, he just didn't make any good ones.
:wiggum:

[Tucson]

Again like most people here you don't pay attention to the stat. In the first 4 games with NO protection and NO running game 10 fumbles. But there's a second and 3rd part to that stat. He lost ONLY 3. In the course of that time period her was adveraging 260yds a game passing 65% completions andd 7.5yds per pass, for a 87qb rating. He was 11-20 in ATL when he was pulled. Matt fumble on the very 1st snap! So that was a good idea? Green had plent of choices, he just didn't make any good ones.
:wiggum:

No, I'm just not a Warner homer like you.

[pg13]

No, I'm just not a Warner homer like you.
Okay. But the stats don't lie! You want Matt? Great! I'm a USC homer too! Matt's my BOI. But he's not better than Kurt right now. That's just pure football. The stats say it in every way shape and form. If you were more concerned with winning now and less with what maybe the future you may not have the same opinion. But then again...who knows.
:bag:

[Tucson]

Okay. But the stats don't lie! You want Matt? Great! I'm a USC homer too! Matt's my BOI. But he's not better than Kurt right now. That's just pure football. The stats say it in every way shape and form. If you were more concerned with winning now and less with what maybe the future you may not have the same opinion. But then again...who knows.
:bag:

Warner fumbled 10 times in 6 games last year. 9 times in 10 games the year before. 12 times in 10 games the year before that. 6 times in 2 games the year before that. He's done.

[pg13]

Warner fumbled 10 times in 6 games last year. 9 times in 10 games the year before. 12 times in 10 games the year before that. 6 times in 2 games the year before that. He's done.
Hey, your right. That's why I've been saying trade him. But it seems that Wiz has a different take on the situation since when people inquired about getting him he said they can't have him! So I guess some folk think a bit different about him being DONE than you. But then again YOU know...
:bag: :bag: :bag:

[crimbone44]

kurt didnt struggle much at all as far as passing the ball... he just fumbled everytime somebody touched him. i cant help but believe without those fumbles, we would have had a winning record last season, but denny panicked and pulled kurt after a 1-3 start. then we had to suffer while matt lost his first 5 games.

what hurt kurt last year was during the ram game he took a helmet to helmet hit by witherspoon- which was intentional because he knew kurt was about to light them up.
the atlanta game was defense berry pulled up a chair and watched vick run around the corner all day

[thesmel]

ANYBODY notice it was a Rookie year with a 400+ yard record performance 2400+ yards and he moved the team into position to win several games to the division if the FG's were made? and the 11TD's to 12 INT was partially because he was taking chances behind in games!

Anybody else notice that It's his first game in a complicated NEW system and the Niners concentrated on covering his first 2 reads Sure he could have played better but I thought The Niners covered all three of our recievers very very good? am I wrong?

[red dogg]

before you make matt the second coming off joe montana yeah sure didnt vince young get rookie of the year and kick his butt in the championship game :happy:

[lkratavil49]

before you make matt the second coming off joe montana yeah sure didnt vince young get rookie of the year and kick his butt in the championship game :happy:

You are a joke. Vince Young kicked our defense's butt, Matt played his game...did you even watch the game???? Kudos to Vince for running all over our D.

But you know what?!? keep talking, because the more you say, the more ignorant you sound.

[red dogg]

truth hurts:paranoid