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crimbone44
10-07-2007, 02:32 PM
maybe not kurts best game because he wasnt used to running the regular o but the td to fitz was huge, if we only get 3 its a different game.

kong_3
10-07-2007, 02:33 PM
maybe not kurts best game because he wasnt used to running the regular o but the td to fitz was huge, if we only get 3 its a different game.

Amen.

dantheman20192
10-07-2007, 02:42 PM
Stepped up and filled the void that Matty L's clavicle left...

Not Kurts best day but got the job done....

scienceguy
10-07-2007, 03:50 PM
We're gonna need Matt back at some point but I agree...KW came through. I hope he does better with all the reps in practice this week

lkratavil49
10-07-2007, 03:53 PM
We're gonna need Matt back at some point but I agree...KW came through. I hope he does better with all the reps in practice this week

I would bet that he will. He deserves this success after the injustice last year...and he proves that age doesn't really matter if you're a gamer.

kjbad
10-07-2007, 03:56 PM
If I ever see Pop Warner running a QB sneak again with Leinart already on the shelf...:angry:

I'm just glad the play worked. And I'm glad that Warner will be getting all the 1st team reps, how much of Coach Dub's playbook can he absorb? :)

Card41
10-07-2007, 04:13 PM
Stepped up and filled the void that Matty L's clavicle left...

Not Kurts best day but got the job done....

Good job by Kurt, despite being handcuffed by the coaching staff and playcalling.

It must be just me, but I saw an entirely different Offense when Kurt runs the no huddle. He went from "pick the guy I want to get first downs with" to "hope for the best, I just hope we can inch for a first down".

Darth Llama
10-07-2007, 04:52 PM
I would say there is some reason for concern..

While Warner looks super human running his no huddle "package" in our QB rotation, he looked very mortal and very mediocre running our set offense.

While I still believe Warner is the better QB right now (He did lead all of our scoring drives after all) I wouldn't expect him to blow people out non stop. Our offense has some problems, and it's not going to be easy for Warner.

RFIP
10-07-2007, 04:58 PM
IF Boldin is back next week, the O will be just fine. If the D holds up their end, and I have no reason to think otherwise since they seem to play better at home, I'd expect Arizona to beat Carolina.

pg13
10-07-2007, 04:59 PM
Kurt started out like a house on fire again, 5-6 for 58 yds, Edge td run, then the next possesion, they give the ball back to Matt. That made no sense.

Then he get's in for a 3rd and 19? To me this was a classic case of breaking the flow and messing with someone who's on a roll. And it almost cost us!

After that Warner went 9-22. The pass/ int to Fitz in the endzone was thrown to a spot. Fitz wasn't there. Did he just not run a good route? What ever, it was just bad. He forced a couple of other tight ones. Fitz got his hands on one up the sideline. I've see him make many tougher catches, but he can't hang on. Mix in a drop by Edge and another couple by guys who's names I couldn't catch. It was pretty ugly.

The up side is he guide 3 td drives and another for what proved to be the winning margin fg. But for the life of me what I don't understand is: you're killing people with the hurry up O for three games, WHY do you ever go away from it? Why do you change qb's and schemes when they're working? And CP, didn't you get the memo? Your prevent sucks! Lose IT!

In the end we got the win. Matt going down is not good for the health of the team. But now it's on! I know all week we talk about not wanting it like this, and then it happens. It sucks. You should win the job with your play on the field. It's a shame it goes down like this.

RFIP
10-07-2007, 05:22 PM
Matt going down is not good for the health of the team.

I have to wonder about this. The rest of the team, and Whis, have to be tired of answering the same questions every week.

Now finding another QB (If it's Boyd look out!) is going to be problematic but I think the team will settle down and perhaps play better football now that the QB situation is somewhat settled. Should be interesting.

Keenum
10-07-2007, 06:33 PM
I think he'll be OK after getting more reps with the starting O and base sets.

fireplug
10-07-2007, 06:38 PM
If I ever see Pop Warner running a QB sneak again with Leinart already on the shelf...:angry:

I'm just glad the play worked. And I'm glad that Warner will be getting all the 1st team reps, how much of Coach Dub's playbook can he absorb? :)

If he can absorb Mad Mike's playbook in St. Louis, I think he can absorb any playbook in the NFL. Of course he is "old" and his memory may be slipping.:nelson:

SuperCard
10-07-2007, 06:49 PM
If he can absorb Mad Mike's playbook in St. Louis, I think he can absorb any playbook in the NFL. Of course he is "old" and his memory may be slipping.:nelson:

He already knows the play book. As the backup qb he has to. Just because he has been doing the special no huddle offense doesn't mean that he doesn't know the base, which is more basic anyway (mostly had the ball to Edge). He will now get all the first team reps and he should be good to go. The great thing is he can switch at anytime from base to no huddle.

Wide Left Rackers
10-07-2007, 07:32 PM
I'll bet that for some unknown reason that when Matt is all healed up, he will perform more or less like he did last year. Maybe because he will have cleared his head? Lets hope so. And lets hope for at least a semi-reliable qb with some experience-Vinny? We will only need the new qb for around a month or so, unless Warner goes down.....

Ditship
10-07-2007, 07:38 PM
The old man has got the keys again. Hope he doesn't scratch the paint off or run out of gas. Also it's nice that the QB controversy is finally over.. Sucks it had to end with an injury though..

We're behind you all the way Kurt. Take us to the playoffs.

Card41
10-07-2007, 08:38 PM
I think he'll be OK after getting more reps with the starting O and base sets.

He would be Great if they let him run the no huddle. It seems that Warner is 10x more comfortable running no huddle, and the entire offense is 10x more active during the no huddle. I really don't understand why all of the sudden change to the base offensive. That base offense Kurt was running was absolute GARBAGE. I'm predicting alot more 3 and outs if this continues.

Sure Kurt got the Td on the first drive after the injury, but there was no FLOW to the offense IMO. The whole team looked UNCOMFORTABLE. The plays seemed inconsitent and it stuttered quite a bit.

Why isn't this disturbing anyone else? Matt get's hurt and we make Kurt shift down a gear into the base offense. Shouldn't you stay with what works? Or am I wrong? Please someone explain...it's killing me!

I'm happy the Cards got the road win, and I hate to overreact, but this is what I have in my head right now.

Card41
10-07-2007, 09:01 PM
The up side is he guide 3 td drives and another for what proved to be the winning margin fg. But for the life of me what I don't understand is: you're killing people with the hurry up O for three games, WHY do you ever go away from it? Why do you change qb's and schemes when they're working? And CP, didn't you get the memo? Your prevent sucks! Lose IT!

Thanks for saying this Pg, I thought I was the only one who thought this. I saw a definate change in the Cards today, and it didn't seem like a good one.

This year, I felt that our Offense really progressed. It looked nothing like last years. We could move the ball with confidence and authority. Today, specifically after Matt's injury, I didn't get that.

kong_3
10-07-2007, 10:01 PM
You're exactly right. There is no reason that we shouldn't be running the no-huddle at all times. What people don't seem to grasp is that you don't have to snap the ball early... you just line up at the line of scrimmage which prevents the defense from making substitutions. You can stand there all day until the play clock is around 5 just like when you huddle up. You can always snap the ball and go if the defense isn't ready...

Once again, this is CLEARLY our most potent offensive scheme and I think it has lead to scores more than 50% of the time it is used... why the hell would we run the base package? It's exciting because I know I have heard talk about expanding the no-huddle extensively. I would expect to see that going forward along with points by the boat load! If our Defense can step it up like they did against Pitt - we could be in for a special year...

Karkas
10-07-2007, 10:11 PM
Ok, time to bust everyone's doom cloud about the mediocre play of Warner. The O-line was just horrible today... pure and simple. Injuries etc. If they give Warner time he is going to continue eviscerating defenses, huddle or no-huddle.

Even with that the offense still scored 27points! I actually put a lot (~50%) of the fault with the defense... yeah, they manned up and generated some turnovers in the 2nd half, but overall the D-line couldn't get any penetration and the secondary looked somewhat confused.

fastcashAZ
10-07-2007, 10:53 PM
People are acting like nobody does this kind of offense, the no huddle/hurry up offense.

Peyton Manning does it all the time and I think the Colts are a top tier team.

It works when all the players, especially the OL is on board and capable.

My only concern is the stupid illegal procedures many of the OL players seem to get again and again.

With the right system I think this could work against ANY team in the league. The Cards have the talent on the offensive side to make the hurry up work and James knows all about it.

I really think the flaw or the part of the team that would stop them from going to the playoffs is the OL and the defense, just like in years past.

PaulSoleil
10-08-2007, 12:58 AM
I would say there is some reason for concern..

While Warner looks super human running his no huddle "package" in our QB rotation, he looked very mortal and very mediocre running our set offense.

While I still believe Warner is the better QB right now (He did lead all of our scoring drives after all) I wouldn't expect him to blow people out non stop. Our offense has some problems, and it's not going to be easy for Warner.

i have to agree with the other commenters on this page. the concern i had was the play calling, not kurt.

as a coach you need to work with your player's STRENGTHS, not with whatever gameplan you want to forge ahead without no matter who your personel (sp?) is.

a great example of that was mac brown when he coached vince young at texas. he changed the offense to make use of vince's strengths...

pg13
10-08-2007, 02:40 AM
Ok, time to bust everyone's doom cloud about the mediocre play of Warner. The O-line was just horrible today... pure and simple. Injuries etc. If they give Warner time he is going to continue eviscerating defenses, huddle or no-huddle.

Even with that the offense still scored 27points! I actually put a lot (~50%) of the fault with the defense... yeah, they manned up and generated some turnovers in the 2nd half, but overall the D-line couldn't get any penetration and the secondary looked somewhat confused.

He started out like a house on fire. 5-6 on the drive 58yds passing. Edge in for the td run. But then on the very next possession, back to Leinart. He was never really right from there on. A few drops didn't help. For once I'd like to see Fitz make a circus catch for Warner. He and Q always seem to make'em for Matt. I don't get it. Fitz had two hands on that one up the side line and still couldn't hold on. In any event, past the first drive, everything became a struggle. The Rams were playing tough everywhere across the ball. But it seems to me when you're hot you stay with it. Kurt was on fire, Wiz needed to let him keep going. Instead he threw water on it and gave it back to Matt. Odd thing is, if he doesn't do that, Matt doesn't get hurt. We won, but it cost us.:burgerking:

Desert Heat
10-08-2007, 05:59 AM
Kurt played fine, he was used to the hurry up not running the offense that matt did. A win is a win, who will be the backup now? Is Matt going IR?

madrussianfan
10-08-2007, 07:52 AM
Now that matt is out the :Cards logo: need to run the ball effevtively. this doesn't mean every down but it means they have to run it effectively.

in the second half the rams effectively shut down the run and forced kurt to throw the ball. it worked yesterday but trust me, it won't work every week.