Should we have kept davis and drafted AP

[Boldinfan4life]

should we have kept Davis and drafted peterson instead of drafting Brown.I for one am starting to think maybe we should have drafted peterson Edge is cool but i think if we had peterson that he would def take some to the house were edge is maybe lost a step and i.Should we have drafted that sexy pick ?

[JayGee]

without question... that's EXACTLY what we should have done.

[D.Payne #29]

No, Davis was too expensive. They should have drafted Peterson and got a FA tackle or drafter one later. Not getting Peterson is as bad as not getting Tomlinson. One thing Denny did well was draft. Pre Denny, Graves screwed up the draft, and post Denny he will continue to screw up the draft.

[Boldinfan4life]

ya well every time i see peterson score makes me angry b/c the cards should have drafted him i know damn well he would have maybe won the san fran game on his back the way that game went like i said edge is cool and all but peterson is a LT talent that we passed on.

[D.Payne #29]

Edge is great if gaping holes are opened for him, but he isn't the type of player, like Boldin for example, that is a game changing player. Edge has ONE PLAY OVER 20 YARDS in two years. His performance so far as a Cardinals makes Emmitt Smith look Ring of Honor worthy. IT is time to put up or shut up.

[Boldinfan4life]

yeszirrrrrrr i dont know i think it sucks really bad b/c if you look at it i really think A.P would have been that playmaker like you said who could change a game for us man how sweat it would have been to have Fitz,Q and A.P wow damn GRAVES YOU SUCK AT DRAFTING

[D.Payne #29]

Minnesota literally has no passing game. It is all predictable runs. That is how good Peterson is. That is what happens when you draft for need instead of by talent. That is why we are staring 5-6 wins in the face. You don't miss the playoffs 19 out of 20 years on accident. Things like this are why this continues.

[Boldinfan4life]

if we finish in the top 10 in the draft do we draft Hart or Mcfadden ?

[Boldinfan4life]

If you look at it right now our whole draft class has only been decent at best i hope Denny calls Graves on draft day to give his 2 cents on who we should draft.

[D.Payne #29]

if we finish in the top 10 in the draft do we draft Hart or Mcfadden ?

We trade down then draft two guys predicted to go in the 3rd round.:happy:

[footballdan]

Levi Brown is already better than Davis. Davis didn't want to play for us.

[Dolgar2]

all these we should picked so and so threads are stupid, hindsight is always 20/20 how was anyone supposed to know what peterson was gonna do. What if he happened to be a bust and we drafted him, would you all be screaming we should of drafted brown? Come on get real, the only excuse is that the players and coaches needs to preform, thats it!

[NightHawk11and81]

should we have kept Davis and drafted peterson instead of drafting Brown.I for one am starting to think maybe we should have drafted peterson Edge is cool but i think if we had peterson that he would def take some to the house were edge is maybe lost a step and i.Should we have drafted that sexy pick ?

If that happened, I would be calling for Rod Graves' head.

[o'donoghue]

This is one you have to wait a few years to find out which was the better pick. If Levi brown turns out to be an anchor tackle on that o-line for ten years or more then you can't argue with that--it's the hardest position on the field to fill. Maybe AD rushes for 2000+ this year and next year but gets himself hurt again. You never know. Not all RBs are as durable as Tomlinson. To take nothing away from how awesome Peterson looks right now, he has a history of injuries. The Cardinals needed to develop a big, punishing offensive line and in my opinion, so far so good.

[Darth Llama]

If that happened, I would be calling for Rod Graves' head.

I would be the guy running at him with a chain saw trying to get that head for you.

[DesertDave]

should we have kept Davis and drafted peterson instead of drafting Brown.

Or:

Sure! Then we could have an over paid guard playing tackle and doing a mediocre job of it This would lead to the exhorbitantly paid rookie running back - who would only have come after a hold out that would have probably lasted into the season - getting drilled in the backfield more than Boy George.

Good plan.

[#1 az fan]

Davis is a bum and dumb as a rock.Peterson would have come here and gave 10% like all the backs that we draft.:topic:

[ARZCardinals]

Davis was a fat log who couldn't run block and had too many false starts...yet got 49+ million from Dallas.

Levi's already proven in one year he'll be a solid player, unlike Davis.

The line is stronger and leaner.

AP wasn't an option.

You can't run a rb without a line to block. Minnesota has a great line with Hutch and Co. You can not fault the Cards for selecting Levi. He was a good pick who'll prove his weight in gold.

anyone who saw Davis play knows he was a fat piece.

[KidStallyn]

Edge is great if gaping holes are opened for him, but he isn't the type of player, like Boldin for example, that is a game changing player. Edge has ONE PLAY OVER 20 YARDS in two years. His performance so far as a Cardinals makes Emmitt Smith look Ring of Honor worthy. IT is time to put up or shut up.

Edge has probably had one pin sized hole to run through in the past two years as well.....focus of anger should be put squarely onto the O-LINE, yet again. For the second straight year, we've had a QB knocked out for the season do to an injury. A second QB with TORN ligaments in his non throwing elbow, and a rushing attack that's doesn't wouldn't threaten any one of the hundred or so high schools in the valley right now. facts are facts....The O-LINE, improved at the beginning of the season, has regressed to last years bouts of futility.

[JayGee]

all these we should picked so and so threads are stupid, hindsight is always 20/20 how was anyone supposed to know what peterson was gonna do. What if he happened to be a bust and we drafted him, would you all be screaming we should of drafted brown? Come on get real, the only excuse is that the players and coaches needs to preform, thats it!

it isnt all hindsight. many of us were saying the same things before the draft and were flabbergasted after graves went back to his old ways of doing things.. this time we get 5 guys out of a 7 round draft and the 3rd rounder doesnt even make the team. a draft travesty.

[LouDawg]

AD is the reason that the Vikes are 8-0 and in first place in their division. We definitely should have tied up another jillion dollars on another running back. Rod Graves is a *****!:topic:

[PiercingCard77]

it isnt all hindsight. many of us were saying the same things before the draft and were flabbergasted after graves went back to his old ways of doing things.. this time we get 5 guys out of a 7 round draft and the 3rd rounder doesnt even make the team. a draft travesty.

And Denny did so much better??? Besides Waston, Dockett, Dansby(?), and Duece. (Lienart and Fitz were obvious). That's 6 of 21 draft picks that have made an impact, and only 2 from the second day. Our drafts appeared good, but they were far from it.

I did not include Green or Smith on this list, both I feel are solid, but replacable.

Yeah, Denny did great:sarcasm:

[JayGee]

AD is the reason that the Vikes are 8-0 and in first place in their division. We definitely should have tied up another jillion dollars on another running back. Rod Graves is a *****!:topic:

ha-haaa... unlike the vikes, we actually have a QB and WR and a potential HOF RB. we also have a $1M Offensive Line coach directing our protection. AD would be a much needed injection to our offense to get us over the hump. we're not just looking at this season, we're looking at the future of the franchise. when LT was drafted he was a cornerstone to San Diego's future, and after several losing seasons he was the key piece on last year's regular season best 14-2 season. that's what we may have missed out on by not drafting AD. we missed the boat and it's disheartening.

[PiercingCard77]

It's 8 games into AP's career, and I am far from crowning him a HOFer. Like all players, the need to consistently prove they can play at the level....(cough, cough..Frank Gore).

I wait until after his 3rd season to make a judgement on him...once he has proven himself.

[JayGee]

And Denny did so much better??? Besides Waston, Dockett, Dansby(?), and Duece. (Lienart and Fitz were obvious). That's 6 of 21 draft picks that have made an impact, and only 2 from the second day. Our drafts appeared good, but they were far from it.

I did not include Green or Smith on this list, both I feel are solid, but replacable.

Yeah, Denny did great:sarcasm:

eric green is starting. leonard pope is starting. elton brown has been playing a key role on the line this year, moreso than levi brown. obviously all draft picks will not work out. if 1/3 of your draft picks contribute, that's actually pretty good.

denny had the good sense to not outsmart yourself or over-analyze and just pick the best football player available in the first round and then let things sort themselves out. that way you can count on having a guy that can contribute. we call BJ and calvin pace busts but its really unfair to them because they were never first round talents anyway. they're good football players that contribute but we put undue pressure on them to perform like first round talents since we expended those picks on them based out of our needs.

[JayGee]

It's 8 games into AP's career, and I am far from crowning him a HOFer. Like all players, the need to consistently prove they can play at the level....(cough, cough..Frank Gore).

I wait until after his 3rd season to make a judgement on him...once he has proven himself.

if you were referring to my potential HOF RB comment, i was referring to edgerrin james. my point was that AP could have only HELPED edgerrin james if we had drafted him, much like reggie bush helped revive deuce mcallister's game.

[PiercingCard77]

eric green is starting. leonard pope is starting. elton brown has been playing a key role on the line this year, moreso than levi brown. obviously all draft picks will not work out. if 1/3 of your draft picks contribute, that's actually pretty good.

denny had the good sense to not outsmart yourself or over-analyze and just pick the best football player available in the first round and then let things sort themselves out. that way you can count on having a guy that can contribute. we call BJ and calvin pace busts but its really unfair to them because they were never first round talents anyway. they're good football players that contribute but we put undue pressure on them to perform like first round talents since we expended those picks on them based out of our needs.

Teams that draft well, get starters/quality players on day 2. Patriots, Colts, Steelers...ect. That is where teams can beef up their depth and talent.

[JayGee]

Teams that draft well, get starters/quality players on day 2. Patriots, Colts, Steelers...ect. That is where teams can beef up their depth and talent.

so is the first round reserved for "busts"? guess im missing your point. thought it'd be nice to get some starters/quality players on day 1 as well.

[NightHawk11and81]

denny had the good sense to not outsmart yourself or over-analyze and just pick the best football player available in the first round and then let things sort themselves out.

Right. Antrel Rolle is SO much better than Shawne Merriman. :sarcasm:.

Denny's drafts were like his coaching: incredibly overrated.

[PiercingCard77]

Right. Antrel Rolle is SO much better than Shawne Merriman. :sarcasm:.

Denny's drafts were like his coaching: incredibly overrated.

You hit the nail right on the head!!!

[Northern Soul]

I have it on good authority that the turnstyle that is Leonard Davis is the suckiest suck that ever sucked :cool2:

[Big D]

Well so far everything about coach Whis has been overated as well. Smart, tough, disciplined... uh, yea. Offensive genius... uh huh. Smash-mouth football... ect, ect. How has any of this worked out for us so far?

Hmmm... Perhaps first going out and signing a REAL GM that actually has some type of track record of success instead of promoting and extending a guy that has had a track record of futility was the pertinent thing to do. Maybe had that been done we wouldn't be having the same ol "we shoulda drafted so and so" arguements that pop up every single year. Why are we never the team that drafted the guy that everyone else wishes they had?

[WhyNotTheCards?]

. Why are we never the team that drafted the guy that everyone else wishes they had?

We are, his name is Anquan Boldin.

[Big D]

We are, his name is Anquan Boldin.

Well I'm glad we did take Q in the 2nd that year, lord knows we completely blew the 1st round.

[LouDawg]

We are, his name is Anquan Boldin.

His name might also be Larry Fitzgerald or Adrian Wilson.

[PiercingCard77]

His name might also be Larry Fitzgerald or Adrian Wilson.

It also could be Dockett (especially this year).

[JayGee]

Right. Antrel Rolle is SO much better than Shawne Merriman. :sarcasm:.

Denny's drafts were like his coaching: incredibly overrated.

are u saying we shoulda drafted shawn merriman?

whiz draft results?
1 Levi Brown - starter
2 Alan Branch - backup
3 Buster Davis - cut
4 Steve Breaston - punt/kick returner
5 Ben Patrick - backup

denny's drafts and FA acquisitions are the main reasons we actually have good players on this team now. i mean, compare the roster to those before the denny-era. we've been losing close games now for 4 years; prior to that we were losing blowouts. it remains to be seen if whiz can change those close losses into close wins. i hope he can; but at least now he has players at the right talent levels. heck if he had drafted adrian peterson, we'd probably be there now.

[NightHawk11and81]

are u saying we shoulda drafted shawn merriman?

whiz draft results?
1 Levi Brown - starter
2 Alan Branch - backup
3 Buster Davis - cut
4 Steve Breaston - punt/kick returner
5 Ben Patrick - backup

denny's drafts and FA acquisitions are the main reasons we actually have good players on this team now. i mean, compare the roster to those before the denny-era. we've been losing close games now for 4 years; prior to that we were losing blowouts. it remains to be seen if whiz can change those close losses into close wins. i hope he can; but at least now he has players at the right talent levels. heck if he had drafted adrian peterson, we'd probably be there now.

The only reason Denny's drafts look decent at all are because Whisenhunt has done a good job of coaching those players. Let's look at it:

2004:
Fitz, Dansby, Dockett, Step, Antonio Smith, Leckey, Navarre

Three of them aren't on the team anymore.

2005:
Rolle, Arrington, Eric Green, Blackstock, Elton Brown, McCoy

Only Green and Brown are solid contributors, Rolle and Arrington have both been busts, Blackstock hasn't shown much and McCoy is in San Francisco. And yes, if Denny's strategy was BPA, then you absolutely take Merriman. I probably would have taken Carlos Rogers because he was the best available player that filled the biggest need. But if Denny honestly believed Rolle was better than Merriman...I'll just say that explains a heck of a lot.

2006:
Leinart, Lutui, Pope, Watson, Brandon Johnson, Jonathan Lewis, Todd Watkins

Leinart is hurt and was struggling, Lutui is solid, Pope has only been used this year, Watson I'm not sure, I don't think I've ever seen Johnson, and the last two are on different teams.

His drafts really weren't that great. His free agent acquisitions were decent, but then he couldn't coach them.

But on to the main point. If we had drafted Peterson, we wouldn't be any closer to a winning team than we are right now, because he wouldn't be playing. With a stud tackle, we will probably be there in two years, which is still sooner than when Peterson would have started contributing barring injury to Edge. We don't use a two back system. With that being the case, Peterson wouldn't have helped us a bit this year, because we don't play the Vikings and we would still need a tackle this year in the draft.

[Darth Llama]

The Draft is a crap shoot for everyone. You can't honestly say there is any coach that always picks right in the NFL Draft, it's just not going to happen.

Denny had some good picks, he also had some head scratchers, just like Whiz. Overall, I'm actualy happy with the way this team has drafted under both coaches, now all we need is to get someone in here that can coach these guys.

I do believe Whiz will be that guy, but expecting him to go from a 5 win team to a division winner in one season is asking a bit much. Things aren't great right now, but most of us knew there was going to be a rough transition period. Whiz drafted the guy he wanted to build around, and that guy was Levi Brown. I understand why he didn't want to gamble on an often injured, potential super star back, when we already had Edge and an offensive line that couldn't block anyone. Whiz and company made the sound choice, and took a shot at the franchise tackle. I still say that even if both guys excel, Levi was the better pick because young franchise tackles are such a rare commodity in this league.

No disrespect to AP, but he's just another of about 20 Superstar Running Backs in the NFL today. There are plenty more where he came from.

[NightHawk11and81]

No disrespect to AP, but he's just another of about 20 Superstar Running Backs in the NFL today. There are plenty more where he came from.

You know, I could be wrong, but wasn't there a once-in-a-generation back who came out last year? Some guy from USC?

[M0J0]

You know, I could be wrong, but wasn't there a once-in-a-generation back who came out last year? Some guy from USC?

And wasn't there a once in a lifetime tackle that game out of IOWA two years ago? Gallery... Hmm what about Leonard Davis... How are those players working out. The Raiders moved Gallery to Guard and the Davis plays guard for a different team. BIG WHOOP!

This year AP came out the Cards should have taken him and they didn't. Instead they reached for Levi Brown who wasn't slotted to be picked for another 10 selections. Thus far brown had what 2 starts. AP has 2 200 yard games; is leading the league in rushing; is being mentioned as an MVP candidate; will be rookie of the year and we have DOLTS on this board saying it wouldn't have been a better pick.

Some idiots are even saying in hindsight it was the right are you F@#$@^% losing your minds.

In case you forgot.. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eCFeURDwl0Q

It's sickening isn't it.

[lileyho240]

And wasn't there a once in a lifetime tackle that game out of IOWA two years ago? Gallery... Hmm what about Leonard Davis... How are those players working out. The Raiders moved Gallery to Guard and the Davis plays guard for a different team. BIG WHOOP!

This year AP came out the Cards should have taken him and they didn't. Instead they reached for Levi Brown who wasn't slotted to be picked for another 10 selections. Thus far brown had what 2 starts. AP has 2 200 yard games; is leading the league in rushing; is being mentioned as an MVP candidate; will be rookie of the year and we have DOLTS on this board saying it wouldn't have been a better pick.

Some idiots are even saying in hindsight it was the right are you F@#$@^% losing your minds.

In case you forgot.. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eCFeURDwl0Q

It's sickening isn't it.

Yeah AP would look great behind our line with our 3 All Pro Oline guys like the Vikings...Oh wait we don't...I guess some "idiots" would think AP running into a brick wall wouldn't be a good thing....oh incase this hasn't been mentioned already :topic:

[M0J0]

Yeah AP would look great behind our line with our 3 All Pro Oline guys like the Vikings...Oh wait we don't...I guess some "idiots" would think AP running into a brick wall wouldn't be a good thing....oh incase this hasn't been mentioned already :topic:

Nobody is saying AP would be leading the league in rushing behind the Cards O-line... I'm saying, and said before the draft, that the Cards should have picked him because he's a homerun hitter. I believe his play on the field has illustrated my point nicely. Levi 2 starts :ha: AP ...... well you you saw it.

Oh yeah and our O-line is so much better with the addition of Levi Brown.... Last I checked Matt's collarbone was sticking up through his shoulder pads and Curts elbow allows him to adjust the name tag on the back of his own jersey while he has it on. But whatever... next year the Cards should draft the best available tackle again.

[Tiz]

Nobody is saying AP would be leading the league in rushing behind the Cards O-line... I'm saying, and said before the draft, that the Cards should have picked him. I believe the play on the field has illustrated my point nicely. Levi 2 starts :ha: AP ...... well you you saw it.



Injury prone Rb behind a pourous OL isn't exactly the smartest pick in the world. Yes AD is playing great behind a line that aided chester taylor to over 1200 yards last year. Most likely in a Cards uni he'd have produced just as much as Edge has this year in terms of yardage. By your own admission you don't think he'd be leading in yardage but will probably be close...such as is the case with Edge.

[M0J0]

Injury prone Rb behind a pourous OL isn't exactly the smartest pick in the world.
The Cards will regret not selecting AP/AD.

Yes AD is playing great behind a line that aided chester taylor to over 1200 yards last year.

Well remember Edge rushed for 1159 last year.

Again I think the Vikings OL is better than the CARDS but give AP a little credit he is mashing.

[NightHawk11and81]

And wasn't there a once in a lifetime tackle that game out of IOWA two years ago? Gallery... Hmm what about Leonard Davis... How are those players working out. The Raiders moved Gallery to Guard and the Davis plays guard for a different team. BIG WHOOP!

This year AP came out the Cards should have taken him and they didn't. Instead they reached for Levi Brown who wasn't slotted to be picked for another 10 selections. Thus far brown had what 2 starts. AP has 2 200 yard games; is leading the league in rushing; is being mentioned as an MVP candidate; will be rookie of the year and we have DOLTS on this board saying it wouldn't have been a better pick.

Some idiots are even saying in hindsight it was the right are you F@#$@^% losing your minds.

In case you forgot.. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eCFeURDwl0Q

It's sickening isn't it.

What's sickening is that we have dolts who are saying we should have taken Peterson when our need was clearly an offensive lineman. What's sickening is that there are people who don't understand that two great games does not make a great running back. What's sickening is that people have still learned nothing from Dennis Green's poor strategy of ignoring the line. But since you asked...

Gallery's decline can be attributed to awful coaching. The Raiders had nobody who could develop talent. Davis was not an NFL tackle, in fact, the Cards played him at guard originally. Then they shifted him to tackle and paid him like one, which made him too expensive to put at guard.

Brown had three starts because he got hurt. Leinart got hurt when Brown wasn't playing. There's some correlation there.

As for Brown's draft slot, I'm still waiting for you to provide anything to back that up. So far, everything that I've seen has said that Brown would have been gone at #9, four picks later, if we hadn't taken him. You, however, claim he was slotted no higher than 17, and that some had him in the second round.

Like I said to you last time, if there was a publication that said Brown was a second-round choice, nobody but you has ever seen it, and I would guess it would cease to exist very quickly if it did.

[kjbad]

Peterson just got banged up pretty good, he likely won't return to the GB game.

[footballdan]

Peterson just got banged up pretty good, he likely won't return to the GB game. At least we won't have anymore Peterson threads for awhile.

[Darth Llama]

Peterson just got banged up pretty good, he likely won't return to the GB game.

Just the beginning for Peterson.

If you want to know who Adrian Peterson will most resemble in the NFL, the answer is Clinton Portis. Like Portis, he'll have a few stellar years just to tease people by showing what he can do when healthy. Most of the time though, he'll be spending his days watching in street clothes from the IR. His injury today doesn't look too serious, we'll have to wait till the MRI to find out, but I will be surprised if AP ever plays an entire 16 game season. The reason the teams that passed on him did so, was because of his injury problem. Levi has been injured as well, so it still has yet to be seen how beneficial our pick of brown was, but Levi wasn't injury prone in college.