Peter King thinks OT is unfair because Manning didn't get to play

[Superfuzz]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/index.html

"The overtime rule continues to be the dumbest, stupidest, most indefensible rule the NFL has on its books. Giving a coin flip more power than Tony Soprano has now deprived us of a satisfactory ending to two pivotal games this year -- Jets-Patriots in Week 11, when the Patriots and 401-yard passer Matt Cassel never saw the ball in overtime after a heroic fourth-quarter comeback, and Colts-Chargers, when we didn't get to see the NFL MVP even play in the fifth quarter because it was a one-possession overtime."



WOW, that's like saying the ATL game was unfair because we stopped Michael Turner...DEAL WITH IT. This is a TEAM sport, and the Colts' Defense (which, last I checked, is a part of their team) wasn't good enough to stop the Chargers. Do you think King would be whining if Manning got the ball first, and Rivers never got the chance to "see the ball"? No, because Rivers didn't get King's vote for MVP, so of course he doesn't count towards not making King look stupid for nominating a guy who only gets knocked out of contention for the SB 3 days after he ins the MVP. It's only "not fair" because King wanted star power to trump 11 men vs. 11 men battling it out on a gridiron. I won't be surprised the day he writes a column declaring the NFL unfair because it allows underdog teams to win on any given Sunday, and anyone but Favre, Manning or Brady to win the MVP.

[peo13]

Peter King just needs to stop crying, Their choice for league MVP lost get over it.

[Superfuzz]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/index.html

"Rematch Weekend. Flip Four Coins. Over the weekend, only Arizona-Atlanta was a relative snoozer. We had one game go to overtime, another close game(my edit: 27-9?!) get broken up by Ed Reed's acrobatic brilliance, and Brian Westbrook break up a two-point fourth-quarter game by being, well, Brian Westbrook. This weekend will be better, if the regular-season meetings are any indication."


He clearly doesn't respect us or what we just did, either.
A close game with lead changes that went down to an immaculate time-chewing drive until the 2-minute warning with a 3rd & 16 that was our own personal "4th & 26" is a "relative snoozer" compared to a 27-9 drubbing and a 26-14 game replete with fumbles by the Eagles leading to punts by the Vikings that was over with 6 minutes to go. What?!

[KidStallyn]

Peter Kings an idiot....How blind is he to the fact that MANNING HAD HIS CHANCE to close out the game with just 2 minutes to go. One first down and that game doesn't GO TO OVERTIME.

Manning had his chance and they BLEW IT!

[LouDawg]

Anybody who calls that game a snoozer should turn in his press pass and go home for the rest of his life.

[Superfuzz]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/index.html

Wow, Peter's full of gems this morning:

"The Boomtown Rats Don't Like Mondays. I Don't Like Overtime. Actually, I love overtime. Great drama. I just hate the NFL's overtime rule, which puts an inordinate value on whether the visiting-team captain calls heads or tails. The Colts called heads Saturday night. It came up tails. So this is how the game sends Tony Dungy into his retirement deliberations -- with the NFL MVP standing on the sidelines, never able to touch the ball with the season on the line. So in 2008, nine of the 15 overtime games have been one-possession periods. Nine out of 15. I know what you overtime-rule lovers are saying: Defense is half the game, so if you want to win in overtime, stop 'em on the first possession and go down and score. True. So why, after every coin flip in overtime, do the winning players and the home crowd (if the home teams wins the flip) get all euphoric? Because they know it's a huge advantage. Who wouldn't rather have the ball first when the first team to score wins? In regular-season history, by the way, 141 games (33 percent of all games) have been won on the first possession. That's 141 unfair games."


Way to make a totally fallacious statement! So, when he says that 33% of all games were "unfair" because they were won on the first possession, does he take into account games where the team that possessed the ball first CLEARLY had a better offense, was generally considered a better overall team, and probably would have won, even if it would have taken a few more possessions. How many of those games have Manning and the Colts won, for that matter? In other words, if you're going to categorically call a whole bloc of a sample unfair, you'd better analyze each and every one of those games first, before you consider that number statistically significant! ( Heck, some teams like BAL fare better scoring points with their defense on the field! So if the NFL's best scoring defense takes the field on the first possession versus the NFL's worst offense, and the offensive team wins on the first possession, is that "unfair", Peter?)


So according to King, if you win on the first possession the game result is automatically unfair....Yeah, that's what losing defensive coordinators everywhere are saying.

[VACardsFan74]

This is just another example of media people taking things personally....just like Ditka, Collinsworth and others...especially when the opposite of what they say ends up happening...they have to justify by taking the opposite tack...

[KidStallyn]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/index.html

Wow, Peter's full of gems this morning:

"The Boomtown Rats Don't Like Mondays. I Don't Like Overtime. Actually, I love overtime. Great drama. I just hate the NFL's overtime rule, which puts an inordinate value on whether the visiting-team captain calls heads or tails. The Colts called heads Saturday night. It came up tails. So this is how the game sends Tony Dungy into his retirement deliberations -- with the NFL MVP standing on the sidelines, never able to touch the ball with the season on the line. So in 2008, nine of the 15 overtime games have been one-possession periods. Nine out of 15. I know what you overtime-rule lovers are saying: Defense is half the game, so if you want to win in overtime, stop 'em on the first possession and go down and score. True. So why, after every coin flip in overtime, do the winning players and the home crowd (if the home teams wins the flip) get all euphoric? Because they know it's a huge advantage. Who wouldn't rather have the ball first when the first team to score wins? In regular-season history, by the way, 141 games (33 percent of all games) have been won on the first possession. That's 141 unfair games."


Way to make a totally fallacious statement! So, when he says that 33% of all games were "unfair" because they were won on the first possession, does he take into account games where the team that possessed the ball first CLEARLY had a better offense, was generally considered a better overall team, and probably would have won, even if it would have taken a few more possessions. How many of those games have Manning and the Colts won, for that matter? In other words, if you're going to categorically call a whole bloc of a sample unfair, you'd better analyze each and every one of those games first, before you consider that number statistically significant! ( Heck, some teams like BAL fare better scoring points with their defense on the field! So if the NFL's best scoring defense takes the field on the first possession versus the NFL's worst offense, and the offensive team wins on the first possession, is that "unfair", Peter?)


So according to King, if you win on the first possession the game result is automatically unfair....Yeah, that's what losing defensive coordinators everywhere are saying.

So 67% of the time.....THE TEAM THAT WINS THE TOSS LOSES!!! Idiot...

[kjbad]

Here's the deal for the pundits like King who don't seem to get it -- a football team is made up of OFFENSE, DEFENSE, and SPECIAL TEAMS.

YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED A CHANCE ON OFFENSE if you lack the defense or special teams skills to get the ball back. The NCAA system screws teams out of kickoff returns altogether and can lead to wildly inflated scores...that's BS to me.

The NFL system is fine the way it is...just look at some of the games this year:

AZ had to overcome the fact that DAL tied the game at the end of regulation and won the coin flip...AZ's defense held, and the special teams got the win without the offense setting foot on the field. (I bet King was upset that Warner never had to leave the sideline too).

PIT lost the coin flip, held BAL, got the ball back, and won on a FG.

NYJ and OAK were horrible in OT, when Janikowski finally hit a 57-yarder to end the game after neither offense did squat. It's not OAK's fault that Favre was too tired to throw after 4 quarters!!!

CIN could have gone for the win at NYG, but kicked the FG to force OT. They LOST the coin flip, and their defense actually held and got the offense the ball back. They eventually lost the game, but it's not like the OT system screwed them in any way.

Speaking of CIN, they actually TIED with the Eagles after neither team had a clue how to score winning points.

Peter King, you are a Real Man of Genius. :banghead:

[fastcashAZ]

Bogus.

The OT rule has been with the league how long?

Poor Peyton couldnt get it done against the easiest secondary in the league, even with a gimick TD and a fumble on the 1 YL.

There is no excuse or whining in football.

[tetters]

If Peyton is so great surely he could win in the first 60 minutes of the game...

[kjbad]

I forgot to mention that the coin flip already affects games in regulation.

In the TEN/HOU game, Coach Fisher went on record saying he botched the coin flip in regulation and should have taken the wind in case he needed a FG to win the game. Well, guess what? He went for it on 4th and 3 instead of kicking the figgie, and TEN went on to lose after failing to convert.

What did King say about that?
This was Fisher's explanation of his odd call at the two-minute warning in the fourth quarter: With Tennessee trailing 13-12 and a fourth-and-three at the Houston 32, the Titans called Rob Bironas back from the field. Instead of attempting a 49- or 50-yard field goal, Fisher decided to throw for first down. And Collins' deep fade down the left side (a curious call when you only need three yards) for Justin McCareins went incomplete.

As it turned out, Hurricane Ike played a big role in Fisher's call. After the September hurricane damaged some roof tiles, the Texans determined they wouldn't be able to close the roof for the rest of the season, until repairs could be made to the roof. So on a blustery day, with 26-mph winds swirling in the stadium, Fisher kicked himself for a decision he didn't make, and it wasn't about not kicking the 49-yarder. "I should have taken the wind in the fourth in the quarter,'' Fisher told me. "That's one I wish I had back. Before the game, Rob was trying field goals at that end from 48, 50, 51, and he was falling short. Way short, on a couple of them.''

Tennessee had won the toss before the game. The Titans elected to receive, and Houston chose which goal to defend, picking the favorable winds in the second and fourth quarters. Obviously, Fisher wishes he had deferred, and taken the prevailing winds in the second and fourth quarters.

If Tennessee loses to Pittsburgh, Fisher's going to remember that coin flip for a long, long time.

It's called STRATEGY, and losing the regulation coin flip didn't make the game's outcome unfair for HOU then...so why is it wrong now in OT for IND?

Idiot.

[Superfuzz]

If Peyton is so great surely he could win in the first 60 minutes of the game...

"Bu..buh..but, It's not fair that his defense couldn't stop Darren Sproles or Philip Rivers!!! Having a defense on the field is the most indefensible rule that the NFL has! I mean, except when Freeney sacks Rivers...."

:violin: :sarcasm:

[Superfuzz]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/1.html

I'm still digging:

Fine Fifteen:

1. TEN
2. PIT
3. NYG
4. CAR
5. BAL
6. NE
7. SD
8. IND
9. PHI
10. MIA
11. ARI
12. ATL
13. MIN
14. SF
15. HOU
----------------------------
So Indy, Miami, and the Patriots are still ahead of us....and who cares about where you're going to rank playoff losers (Yes, we know you're going to rank the Cardinals, Chargers, Ravens and Eagles ahead of the teams they just beat and eliminated...), much less teams like Houston and SF? Does a week 19 power ranking really mean all that much for a team that was never in the playoffs?

[kjbad]

Maybe King should do an expose on how much $$$ IND spent on Manning vs. fixing their defense... :ha:

[Fan43]

I guess now, they'll be changing the rules for the Mannings???

[azmikey]

Atlanta/Arizona a relative snoozer? He must have been wolfing down that Nutri Systems double fudge browny by the box load.

The snoozer, in my opinion, was the Ravens/Miami game. Yes, a couple big plays on D, but it was hard to watch. Anyone see Suggs choke the guy on the ground and throw a punch to the head on a tackle. I like Suggs, but this was thuglike. Took place in Q4.

[CardinalsFavor]

The media really wanted a Manning brother showdown. I bet Peter King will not be with SI come April.

[Fan43]

Atlanta/Arizona a relative snoozer? He must have been wolfing down that Nutri Systems double fudge browny by the box load.

The snoozer, in my opinion, was the Ravens/Miami game. Yes, a couple big plays on D, but it was hard to watch. Anyone see Suggs choke the guy on the ground and throw a punch to the head on a tackle. I like Suggs, but this was thuglike. Took place in Q4.

Refs didn't call it??

[kjbad]

Refs didn't call it??

Nope, they let him and Ed Reed get away with a few cheap shots from what I saw.

[wildcats_red10]

Are you kidding me?
This system has been in works for how many years and because it's PEYTON it's unfair?
Right... bet he wouldn't be saying this if he would have been the first one on the field.
Deal with it PK.

[Fan43]

Nope, they let him and Ed Reed get away with a few cheap shots from what I saw.

Figures. And then people wonder why we blame the refs.. If the people at home could see it on TV, there's no way the refs. didn't see it, especially if it happened more than once. It's just too obvious!!!!

[peo13]

Are you kidding me?
This system has been in works for how many years and because it's PEYTON it's unfair?
Right... bet he wouldn't be saying this if he would have been the first one on the field.
Deal with it PK.
Don't you realize that anything bad that happens to Manning is simply unfair and we have to change the rules immediately. :sarcasm:

[Deaner55]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/04/wildcards/1.html

I'm still digging:

Fine Fifteen:

1. TEN
2. PIT
3. NYG
4. CAR
5. BAL
6. NE
7. SD
8. IND
9. PHI
10. MIA
11. ARI
12. ATL
13. MIN
14. SF
15. HOU
----------------------------
So Indy, Miami, and the Patriots are still ahead of us....and who cares about where you're going to rank playoff losers (Yes, we know you're going to rank the Cardinals, Chargers, Ravens and Eagles ahead of the teams they just beat and eliminated...), much less teams like Houston and SF? Does a week 19 power ranking really mean all that much for a team that was never in the playoffs?

Im surprised they didnt put the Falcons ahead of us because like Chris Carter says the better team didnt win right! Ill tell you if we beat the Panthers they will really hate us for raining on thier parade and making them look like what they really are WRONG!

[Superfuzz]

Im surprised they didnt put the Falcons ahead of us because like Chris Carter says the better team didnt win right! Ill tell you if we beat the Panthers they will really hate us for raining on thier parade and making them look like what they really are WRONG!

Link to Carter?

[Longcolts]

Link to Carter?

Can't link because Carter said it on the air after the game.

[Superfuzz]

Can't link because Carter said it on the air after the game.

Ah. Will check DVR! Thanks

[madrussianfan]

well if he was the leagues mvp then it shouldn't have gone to ot, eh pete???

funny how the top 3 vote getters for mvp are all not playing next week. why is that peter king?



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:champs:

[wildcats_red10]

Don't you realize that anything bad that happens to Manning is simply unfair and we have to change the rules immediately. :sarcasm:

Hahaha. Oh sure.. it's a national tragedy didn't you know? :violin:

[azmikey]

Carter said it after the game, then again Sunday morning.

[Fan43]

Im surprised they didnt put the Falcons ahead of us because like Chris Carter says the better team didnt win right! Ill tell you if we beat the Panthers they will really hate us for raining on thier parade and making them look like what they really are WRONG!

Best to wait and see if we can beat the Panthers, first. We should have, and could have done it the first time around. Was awful darn close, with some very questionable calls by the refs.. YES..., like it or not , the refs. can make a difference in close games. It bothers me that we're playing them again on their turf.

[Deaner55]

I guess now, they'll be changing the rules for the Mannings???

I love it ! your right on ! They cant hide thier Manning love and favoritsm ,just like the MVP award.I dont usually agree with Deon but i liked what he said on the NFL network yesterday about giving Manning the award when he didnt really deserve it because they want him to have 3 like Brett favre ,obviously Deon is showing that he like many of us also thinks theres Manning favoritism and love out there in Talking head land. In addition to that some great points made by Boomer Eisison and whats his name from Denver( its tough gettin old) ,Manning had a chance in the final minutes of the game and wasnt able to do it ,so why should he get an extra chance in OT,is it any more important than the last couple of minutes in regulation time itself? you say defense wins championships but its not fair each offense doesnt get a chance, secondly only 30 something percent of the offenses getting the ball first in OT score ,so actually overwhelmingly in overtime games both teams get a shot to score. And this ones mine : Ask Ed Reed and Asante Samuels if it matters!

[DThomas45]

So 67% of the time.....THE TEAM THAT WINS THE TOSS LOSES!!! Idiot...

Not quite. 67% of the games are NOT won on the first possession. If I am correct, the split is about 50/50 on who wins the OT games, home or visiting teams. I think it is slightly higher for home teams.

Peter King would not have said this if the Colts had won the coin toss and won the game on the opening drive. He is grotesquly inconsistent and hypocritical.

I thought the two saturday games were much more entertaining than the two Sunday games. The Cardinals/Falcons game a snoozer? only because King picked Atlanta in a blowout...

[pg13]

Bogus.

The OT rule has been with the league how long?

Poor Peyton couldnt get it done against the easiest secondary in the league, even with a gimick TD and a fumble on the 1 YL.

There is no excuse or whining in football.

THIS of course he doesn't talk about at all. If SD doen't have those fumbles, it's not even a close game.

[Fan43]

I love it ! your right on ! They cant hide thier Manning love and favoritsm ,just like the MVP award.I dont usually agree with Deon but i liked what he said on the NFL network yesterday about giving Manning the award when he didnt really deserve it because they want him to have 3 like Brett favre ,obviously Deon is showing that he like many of us also thinks theres Manning favoritism and love out there in Talking head land. In addition to that some great points made by Boomer Eisison and whats his name from Denver( its tough gettin old) ,Manning had a chance in the final minutes of the game and wasnt able to do it ,so why should he get an extra chance in OT,is it any more important than the last couple of minutes in regulation time itself? you say defense wins championships but its not fair each offense doesnt get a chance, secondly only 30 something percent of the offenses getting the ball first in OT score ,so actually overwhelmingly in overtime games both teams get a shot to score. And this ones mine : Ask Ed Reed and Asante Samuels if it matters!

Deon's been seeing it for what it is, lately! I've been somewhat impressed with him. LOL

[Superfuzz]

Apparently Kirwan voted Manning MVP, too!

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story?id=09000d5d80de7fe8&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

"» Overtime: To watch Peyton Manning stand on the sidelines Saturday night and not get a chance to perform in overtime is ridiculous. What would be more compelling football than to see Manning take the field down seven points in overtime with one chance to drive his team for a score? We missed an opportunity to watch great football."


This is sickening. You voted for him, and now you look like an idiot for voting for him. Maybe this'll teach them NOT to vote a Manning/Brady/Favre MVP every year.

[mizzoucardsfan]

King Peter!!!! SUCKER!!!! Yeah from now on this guy will be know to me as...KING PETER SUCKER!!! This guy is a complete *****!

[redbird242]

CNNSI has probably the worst staff with the exception of NBCSports.

Look at this Peter King, Dr. Z, and Don Banks.

Peter King said Matt Ryan should be MVP then whines for P Manning. If that qb was anyone other than Farve, Manning, or Brady they would have never said a darn thing. Guess what P. King the Patriots aren't in the playoffs and guess what 90% of good qbs could do what Cassel did this year.
Don Banks said after KW had the game against the Jets that he should retire and that he sucks. Dr. Z has consistently said stupid comments.



NBC Sports because they always ******** talk about the Cowboys. They should be called the TO show.