Would you be comforted if Wells played center?

[AZCrazy]

He has done it for us in the past. Smart player, senior O Lineman, can make the calls and can block. What if he were made center with Sendlein as backup, and Herman Monster came in at left guard as soon as he was up to speed? Still leaves us with E Brown, Vallejo, and Keith as backup tackles, and Canfield, Raiola, El Amin, and Claxton competing for backup interior line positions.

[TGarel]

Seems odd to me people looking for a new center. Lyle is no Jeff Saturday but he is young and has been a winner everywhere he has played football. Also statistically vs the pass he is one of the best centers in the league being credited with only 1 sack allowed last season. he however is not as strong as one may like nor explosive vs the run. Right now he is our best center period and like Whis and Grimm I think he will eventually turn into a mainstay at the position and be a very good center.

[AZCrazy]

Fair enough. Upcoming is his third year, the time when you hope to see improvement in line players. Just that we seem thin at the position. What is Raiola all about?

[TGarel]

Yeah Raiola and Claxton I dont know squat about so as for depth I am bit concerned. They say Canfield could be a center and we know wells could do it if needed. However true depth ATM doesnt really exist.

[Darth Llama]

I agree with TGarel on Lyle. I like everything about Lyle except for the lack of push off the line on running downs. Lyle is a 300 pounder even though he doesn't look like it, and I think that problem is one that can be remedied. All Lyle needs is a little move upper body strength and some work on technique for running downs and he'll be a very good all around center. He's arguably one of the best in the league in pass protection already, he has a good exchange with Kurt (most of the time) and has been nothing but a boon to this team from the day he walked through the door. Lyle has too much upside for a young center to give up on him just because he has one deficiency that can probably be corrected with weights and a little more coaching.

[sidewalk_surfer]

Can't forget how Snadelin stepped on Warner basically on every handoff.

[Darth Llama]

Can't forget how Snadelin stepped on Warner basically on every handoff.

You might want to re-watch those videos, most of the time he was tripping over Reggie Wells. And if by "basically every hand off" you mean 4 or 5 times over the course of the season, then yes, that's accurate.

[TGarel]

The Warner issue with handoffs was more attributed to a change in line play f to a more compact line and he was not used to the guards placement. It was not due to Lyle at least that is what i saw from it.

[Hypothesis]

You might want to re-watch those videos, most of the time he was tripping over Reggie Wells. And if by "basically every hand off" you mean 4 or 5 times over the course of the season, then yes, that's accurate.

I didnt notice Kurt being stepped on much at all if any until the playoffs. But almost every running play he got stepped on, went for 5-8 yards from what I remember.

[azcardsanalysis]

It looks like we have no reliable depth behind Sendlein, and that's no way to enter the season. You have hit upon the most readily-available solution: Reggie Wells.

I'd love to see Wells and Sendlein compete for the starting center role. Wells has played center, and could potentially be an upgrade over Sendlein; at least there would be some serious competition and - regardless of the outcome - we would enter the season with more injury insurance at center.

If Wells were to move over - either as the starter or because of an injury to Sendlein - the obvious candidate to replace him would be Elton Brown. Brown is a natural left guard (traditionally the left guard should be more mobile, and - believe it or not - Elton Brown can pull with the best of them). We can't expect any of the rookies to be ready to start, but Brown should be: as I understand it, he almost beat out Lutui at right guard last preseason. So I'd groom Elton Brown for the left guard spot, have Herman Johnson push Lutui on the right side, and hope that Brandon Keith (if he doesn't beat out Gandy) is at least ready to step in if we lose either starting tackle.

I know the coaches are reluctant to shuffle the starters around in the event of an injury on the o-line, but there is a lot to be said for keeping your best five (healthy) linemen on the field.

[CardCore]

Can't forget how Snadelin stepped on Warner basically on every handoff.


I know...kinda funny how Warner kept letting that happen...:d'oh:

[booman141]

You might want to re-watch those videos, most of the time he was tripping over Reggie Wells. And if by "basically every hand off" you mean 4 or 5 times over the course of the season, then yes, that's accurate.

lol, I agree:cardinals:

[LD14]

Right now I'm gonna say that the starting unit is going to remain the same. I would like Lutui and Lyle to at least be pushed and we grabbed some solid depth in the draft to do so.

Herman Johnson and Canfield are at least a year away from becoming starters and I hope at least one will. Keith is being worked on to replace Gandy next season.

Whiz said a month before the draft that he felt that Lyle can become a great starter in the league, you have to trust him and the best OL coach in the game

[Darth Llama]

If one of our starting guards is going to be replaced, it won't be Wells. Deuce has been mediocre at best.

[Skiptim]

I'd just figure put him in as running back. Isn't that why we drafted him?

[Lazy85249]

I'd just figure put him in as running back. Isn't that why we drafted him?

Reggie Wells - not Beanie.

[Lazy85249]

IMO, Canfield, if he makes the cut and earns the position, makes more sense at Center than Reggie Wells. I wanted us to draft Max Unger. He would have been a reach in round one and I am happy with the Beanie Wells choice. As Unger went to Seattle in round two, we will have an opportunity to see if he pans out or not. IMO, another off season in the weight room, another year of coaching, and another season playing together should see our line make a move from middle of the league to top ten. Given that we were bottom third not too long ago, that's a big improvement.

[LD14]

If one of our starting guards is going to be replaced, it won't be Wells. Deuce has been mediocre at best.

Yeah. Deuce is the only guy who I can see replaced right now.

IMO, another off season in the weight room, another year of coaching, and another season playing together should see our line make a move from middle of the league to top ten. Given that we were bottom third not too long ago, that's a big improvement.

I highly agree with this statement. Just about another year or two and we're going to see some changes and good improvement. Can't wait

[azcardsanalysis]

I think Reggie Wells is one of our top o-linemen, and should be among the starters as long as he's healthy.

If we start this season with the same starting lineup (the most likely scenario, IMO), Elton Brown would be the best lineman on the bench, and Brandon Keith would probably be next in line. Both could play guard or tackle, but to my knowledge neither has ever played center. So Elton Brown (or maybe Keith) comes in if any of our guards or tackles go down. But what happens if Sendlein goes down? With our current personnel, I think the best option would be to move Reggie Wells over to center and plug Elton Brown into his spot at guard; that would put our best five (healthy) guys on the field. But that will only be an option if Wells gets enough practice at center to be prepared to play there. If we work Wells at center and the coaches conclude that he's a better center than Sendlein, then so be it, but replacing Sendlein isn't the goal. The goal is to avoid having a huge fall-off if Sendlein gets hurt.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think Reggie Wells is one of our top o-linemen, and should be among the starters as long as he's healthy.

If we start this season with the same starting lineup (the most likely scenario, IMO), Elton Brown would be the best lineman on the bench, and Brandon Keith would probably be next in line. Both could play guard or tackle, but to my knowledge neither has ever played center. So Elton Brown (or maybe Keith) comes in if any of our guards or tackles go down. But what happens if Sendlein goes down? With our current personnel, I think the best option would be to move Reggie Wells over to center and plug Elton Brown into his spot at guard; that would put our best five (healthy) guys on the field. But that will only be an option if Wells gets enough practice at center to be prepared to play there. If we work Wells at center and the coaches conclude that he's a better center than Sendlein, then so be it, but replacing Sendlein isn't the goal. The goal is to avoid having a huge fall-off if Sendlein gets hurt.

This is precisely what would occur given that Whis has already confirmed that Wells will be the emergency centre.

(If we carry a KR (Garvin) this season who has no other role, we are going to have to adjust the game day (45)

One way... is to designate Wells as the game day emergency centre and always dress his LG backup in case of need.)

[PlanoCard]

Reggie Wells - not Beanie.

Pretty sure he was kidding.:what:

[thesmel]

Golly fellas
Reggie is a waste at center He was our R tackle and was good but not great. The reason Wells is at L guard
is He is the most athletic OLineman we have and in the NFL. In a Russ Grimm Run game OLine, Grimm pulls the LG alot of the time, and wan'ts it every time like the counter trey bread and butter Redskins play He won multiple SB's with!

Reggie Is the only OLman that is that athletic and able to do this consistantly.

[BigDinGlenDale]

The reason Wells is at L guard
is He is the most athletic OLineman we have and in the NFL.

Well now. I would like to know how you're going to go about supporting this one.

[thesmel]

memory banks and yes I could have worded it better for the board police but he was mentioned as one the most athletic olineman in the NFL when other teams tried to sign him. should I be parnoid I've already been spanked for miss spelling Ditships name properly! Yes it goes back to the Dennis Green era 2 full years ago but I believe it still holds true.
Why don't you look it up! AZCardinals.com news release archives! It's a good place to find out more about the AZ Cardinals!

Well now. I would like to know how you're going to go about supporting this one.

[Skiptim]

Pretty sure he was kidding.:what:

Good call my friend. lol

[Boundplaya]

I'd just figure put him in as running back. Isn't that why we drafted him?

Well, he is pretty big.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Herman Munster (hey, he was smarter than any of the other Adam's family, well except maybe the hand but just kept silent so they wouldn't get jealous and kick him out) is drafted as a G, but Grimm is possiblly going to convert him to Tackle.

Can you imagine how big he is and how hard it would be to get around him? The second coming of Orlando Pace.

If Munster makes the move then I guarantee you that he would play LT, the current LT would move to RT and that would be Kurt Warner's dream. Dropping back to pass without worrying that someone is going to come up on you from the backside.

I could seriously see this offense being better than last year's offense, and in 2 years we could be putting up numbers like the Patriots did in 2007-2008.

The chances that the Super Bowl starting 5, are not the starting 5 on opening day.... Slim and None... IMO.

They tested Herman at tackle at the combine... he failed. Orlando Pace, he is not.

If anyone thought he could play either tackle position, he wouldn't have been available in the 5th round. He doesn't have the feet for that job.

He's is a project; a Grimm one (pardon the pun).

I wouldn't be surprised, like our 7th round pick from the last draft, that he's inactive for most of season.

This will allow both Grimm and Lott to do their work.

Turn him into... not only a big, but a strong and relatively nimble guard.

[BostonCard]

Did anyone notice that the Cards had chances to draft a couple of highly rated Centers in this years draft but passed on them. It's because they really like Sendlein and think he can be an above average Center in this league.I would'nt expect to see anyone else at Center unless Whis is lying to the writers(Urban and Somers) who follow the Cards.

[BigDinGlenDale]

memory banks and yes I could have worded it better for the board police but he was mentioned as one the most athletic olineman in the NFL when other teams tried to sign him. should I be parnoid I've already been spanked for miss spelling Ditships name properly! Yes it goes back to the Dennis Green era 2 full years ago but I believe it still holds true.
Why don't you look it up! AZCardinals.com news release archives! It's a good place to find out more about the AZ Cardinals!

He's very athletic, but not the most athletic. You said he was the most athletic. Big difference.

[thesmel]

Busted I'm truely busted I admitted already that I could have worded it better. policed already

He is the most athletic OLineman we have. PERIOD

I meant one of the most athletic Olineman in the NFL.
As evidenced by Our front office reports when Reggie Well's contract was discussed.





He's very athletic, but not the most athletic. You said he was the most athletic. Big difference.

[WaterBoy]

I didnt notice Kurt being stepped on much at all if any until the playoffs. But almost every running play he got stepped on, went for 5-8 yards from what I remember.

That's right. It was the patented "Falling down Kurt handoff" which did result in some goofy-looking plays that gained yards. Sort of like a cross between a conventional handoff and a delayed handoff. Musta thrown the defense's timing off.

[azcardsanalysis]

Did anyone notice that the Cards had chances to draft a couple of highly rated Centers in this years draft but passed on them. It's because they really like Sendlein and think he can be an above average Center in this league.I would'nt expect to see anyone else at Center unless Whis is lying to the writers(Urban and Somers) who follow the Cards.

I agree that the coaches like Sendlein, but we have a serious need for quality competition and depth at the center position. I think we would have drafted a center had a good opportunity presented itself, but - as explained in my post reviewing our draft picks (in the thread titled "Draft Grade: How did the cards do?") - there was never a center who was even close to being the BPA when we came up. So - at this point - Reggie Wells appears to be the best answer we would have in the event of an injury to Sendlein. But if Reggie is going to be an effective option at center, he needs to be getting some practice time at that position. So I'd be more comfortable if I saw that happening.