View Full Version : #69 Gandy weak link?
NV555
11-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Have the Cardinals have been pleased with the play of left tackle Mike Gandy since he joined the team two years ago?
Gandy has been durable, playing in every game the past four seasons, however he has had a lot of mistakes this year and has left the door open many times leaving Kurt exposed and in danger.
Is it me or does it seem like when something bad happens Gandy is involved or had a hand in it?
Bad luck or just the weak link?
:mascot:
AussieCardinal
11-01-2009, 11:18 PM
Have the Cardinals have been pleased with the play of left tackle Mike Gandy since he joined the team two years ago?
Gandy has been durable, playing in every game the past four seasons, however he has had a lot of mistakes this year and has left the door open many times leaving Kurt exposed and in danger.
Is it me or does it seem like when something bad happens Gandy is involved or had a hand in it?
Bad luck or just the weak link?
:mascot:
Small correction Gandy is #69.
However its not hard to put them together, they both stink.
dirtybird
11-01-2009, 11:32 PM
heh, well he basically gave the panthers a touch down with that piss poor block on peppers. I dont even see that type of mistake in high school
AussieCardinal
11-01-2009, 11:36 PM
heh, well he basically gave the panthers a touch down with that piss poor block on peppers. I dont even see that type of mistake in high school
It's like just fell over.
His performance isn't as strong this year. I have to say Im a bit disappointed. Its clear though that a replacement is coming next draft. I don't believe Gandy back after his contract expires the end of this year. Hopefully his replacement is not another fantastic runblocker, mediocore pass blocker that we'll ask to pass block 80% of the time.
Its really a shame looking back and seeing William Beatty drafted just a few spots higher than us in the 2nd round. I think he would of thrived here.
BigRed11
11-02-2009, 02:36 AM
Yeah, and as bad as he has been, Levi Brown is worse!:Angry:
Brown didn't have a terrible game. He was 1on1 most the game (Gandy was helped 90% of the time with a chip block) and didn't do bad. You have hate in your heart for Levi. Just let it out friend, let it out.
IMO Levi>Gandy
howejo
11-02-2009, 03:59 AM
Gandy and Brown will be immortalised in Cardinal history as the tackles that took us to the SB so lets quit dumping on em and pray for the form we saw last year although Brown was good today and has been unfairly bashed by the fans IMO and Gandy was great last year and just needs a few big games and his confidence and hell be fine? I hope so cause there the best weve got! Ill say again lettin E Brown go and reducing competition along the line was a big mistake! E Brown could of been a huge plus for us this year IMO
The Curmudgeon
11-02-2009, 04:08 AM
His performance isn't as strong this year. I have to say Im a bit disappointed. Its clear though that a replacement is coming next draft. I don't believe Gandy back after his contract expires the end of this year. Hopefully his replacement is not another fantastic runblocker, mediocore pass blocker that we'll ask to pass block 80% of the time.
Its really a shame looking back and seeing William Beatty drafted just a few spots higher than us in the 2nd round. I think he would of thrived here.
Considering our draft history with Leonard Davis and Levi Brown, I am not so sure we know how to pick a good pass blocker.
jeffcard80
11-02-2009, 09:31 AM
Gandy is getting throw around like a rag doll. I can't believe we don't have anyone who can't outplay him.
I was watching the 49ers after Staley went down, their back LT held up well against Freeney, but Gandy is completely overmatched against above average pass rushers.
As for Levi, he's no probowl tackle, but at lesat he's shown some improvement.
kjbad
11-02-2009, 09:41 AM
Gandy and Brown will be immortalised in Cardinal history as the tackles that took us to the SB so lets quit dumping on em and pray for the form we saw last year although Brown was good today and has been unfairly bashed by the fans IMO and Gandy was great last year and just needs a few big games and his confidence and hell be fine? I hope so cause there the best weve got! Ill say again lettin E Brown go and reducing competition along the line was a big mistake! E Brown could of been a huge plus for us this year IMO
This is the NFL...and the NFL is a business.
We can't reminisce about last year...if a guy can't block this year's crop of D-linemen then he needs to go. Warner was getting hit and sacked from a 3-man rush yesterday. Peppers was on his deathbed before this game...now he's "regained his form". :Rolleyes:
I saw the 49ers take IND's high quality o-line to the woodshed on Sunday...we have to play that team again and there is a good chance Warner eats more turf unless we fix this mess. If Gandy is the weak link, then adjust the offense to max protect and tell Warner to play it safe. I don't want to see Warner's career end the way Neil Lomax's did.
AZCARDSFAN89
11-02-2009, 09:46 AM
heh, well he basically gave the panthers a touch down with that piss poor block on peppers. I dont even see that type of mistake in high school
That wasn't Gandy's fault. He did what he was suppose to do. It looked like a designed swing type pass to the RB, Gandy is suppose to chop the DE down so the QB has an open look to throw. Peppers is a freak athlete and Kurt made a VERY lazy throw, practically looked at Peppers and shook his hand saying "here buddy why don't you take this!".
Not Gandy's fault.
Gandy dominated the playoffs last year, and had a decent SB. He's been pretty good with how unbalanced our offense is, and how he's almost always left on an island.
RandawgVO
11-02-2009, 10:45 AM
Gandy is Slow off the snap and even slower at turning his body to the defender (you know the one that runs right around him) HeIs not even meaty enough to stop a full on Bull Rush. This position should be addressed next draft. It makes it WORSE that it is Warners Blind side, Maybe move him???
EuroCard
11-02-2009, 10:55 AM
That wasn't Gandy's fault. He did what he was suppose to do. It looked like a designed swing type pass to the RB, Gandy is suppose to chop the DE down so the QB has an open look to throw. Peppers is a freak athlete and Kurt made a VERY lazy throw, practically looked at Peppers and shook his hand saying "here buddy why don't you take this!".
Not Gandy's fault.
Gandy dominated the playoffs last year, and had a decent SB. He's been pretty good with how unbalanced our offense is, and how he's almost always left on an island.
Sorry, but it was 100% his fault, the play calls for him to block with the weight of his body on the outside of Peppers to make it an effective chop block, he failed to do this, only half taking Peppers down. Watching the development in slo mo you see Peppers half down, Warners arm goes forward pepper's stands up and raises his arms in one movement and the ball is caught by him, he looks as surprised as everyone else hardly able to believe his good luck!
Bad execution of a chop block, and generally a very bad game from Gandy. Remember that Pepper's has the freedom to roam the field, I wonder why he constantly picked on Gandy over Brown!
Considering our draft history with Leonard Davis and Levi Brown, I am not so sure we know how to pick a good pass blocker.
Knowing Whiz and Grimm, then the offensive philosophy they wish to run, this will probably be the case.
Why get a blocker who is solid against the pass and can keep up with speed rushers when we can have a mauler for a run game that we hardly use.
AZCARDSFAN89
11-02-2009, 04:31 PM
Considering our draft history with Leonard Davis and Levi Brown, I am not so sure we know how to pick a good pass blocker.
Ummmm... Davis is a Pro Bowl OL if you didn't know. We were playing him out of position the ENTIRE time we had him. Davis is only in his 3rd season I think. He's better than you guys give him credit.
flagstaff card
11-02-2009, 04:40 PM
Five words, Bruce Cambell in the second.
Ummmm... Davis is a Pro Bowl OL if you didn't know. We were playing him out of position the ENTIRE time we had him. Davis is only in his 3rd season I think. He's better than you guys give him credit.
His post was reflecting on how poor we seem to do on drafting decent pass blockers. We know that Davis had been a Pro Bowler.
Pro Bowl doesn't really mean much at OL however. I believe last year Jason Peters got into the probowl, yet allowed the most sacks at LT in the entire league.
It should be known that Davis is not at all a solid pass blocker, just a big solid mauler. Seems a little familar to a certain RT we have on this team.
Five words, Bruce Cambell in the second.
We would be very fortunate if he falls that far. I been seeing him lately mocked in the top 10.
flagstaff card
11-02-2009, 10:42 PM
We would be very fortunate if he falls that far. I been seeing him lately mocked in the top 10.
Wow he's shooting up some boards. Awesome prospect.
Gandy and Brown will be immortalised in Cardinal history as the tackles that took us to the SB so lets quit dumping on em and pray for the form we saw last year although Brown was good today and has been unfairly bashed by the fans IMO and Gandy was great last year and just needs a few big games and his confidence and hell be fine? I hope so cause there the best weve got! Ill say again lettin E Brown go and reducing competition along the line was a big mistake! E Brown could of been a huge plus for us this year IMO
In my opinion, their success last year, and their struggles this year can be attributed more to scheme and play design than just poor individual play. The coaching staff put them in a position to succeed last year with better balance. (with the exception of about a 3 game stretch when they abandoned the run and both tackles struggled). This year they are on an island all too often with the D knowing whats coming.
The Curmudgeon
11-03-2009, 04:41 AM
Ummmm... Davis is a Pro Bowl OL if you didn't know. We were playing him out of position the ENTIRE time we had him. Davis is only in his 3rd season I think. He's better than you guys give him credit.
He was the 2nd overall pick in the draft, you don't spend that for a guard. That is Left Tackle territory. Obviously Chilidog miscalculated Leonard's ability to make the move. And of course the cowturds have infinite money, so they can afford to pay Leonards salary to a guard.
flagstaff card
11-03-2009, 07:53 AM
He was the 2nd overall pick in the draft, you don't spend that for a guard. That is Left Tackle territory. Obviously Chilidog miscalculated Leonard's ability to make the move. And of course the cowturds have infinite money, so they can afford to pay Leonards salary to a guard.
Chili didn't miscalculate he was a left OT at Texas. Just not a OT in the NFL. So are you happy with our Gs Duece is coming around wells looks like a sixth round pick this year awful. I'll take a probowl player at that position thank you. Guess you only look at how a player performs for us. Guess Simeon rice sucked or how about Thomas Jones! Maybe we were just such sorry ***** suckfull team players would just play to get out of here. And to go to a team that actually knew what they were doing how about that? Anyways would you still want Rolle as a CB? I don't! sometimes you gotta make adjustments in regards to team and personnel.:duh:
fastcashAZ
11-03-2009, 08:20 AM
When you think about it, we are LUCKY to have a winning record and made it to the SB with how mediocre our line is..the DL and OL are the heart of a team, with a good line you can turn a mediocre offense or defense into a good one.
With a bad line you can turn a GREAT offense into a terrible one. You can survive with a bad line, which is the case with our offense, but you are playing with a handicap in doing so and you will have to put out more energy and skill and the margin for error is literally ZERO with a bad line.
The skill and ability on both lines determine wins and losses more than any other aspect of the team.
JMHO
The Curmudgeon
11-03-2009, 06:09 PM
Chili didn't miscalculate he was a left OT at Texas. Just not a OT in the NFL. So are you happy with our Gs Duece is coming around wells looks like a sixth round pick this year awful. I'll take a probowl player at that position thank you. Guess you only look at how a player performs for us. Guess Simeon rice sucked or how about Thomas Jones! Maybe we were just such sorry ***** suckfull team players would just play to get out of here. And to go to a team that actually knew what they were doing how about that? Anyways would you still want Rolle as a CB? I don't! sometimes you gotta make adjustments in regards to team and personnel.:duh:
Leonard is getting 7 million a year to play guard. I guess you would let Dansby or A-dub go to keep him, and Simeon Rice was the biggest ********* ever to wear a Cards uniform. Maybe you don't remember what he said about Pat Tillman.
flagstaff card
11-03-2009, 06:21 PM
Leonard is getting 7 million a year to play guard. I guess you would let Dansby or A-dub go to keep him, and Simeon Rice was the biggest ********* ever to wear a Cards uniform. Maybe you don't remember what he said about Pat Tillman.
Yeah I'd let Dansby go for a ALL-PRO guard look at what Hutchinson did for the Vikings! You win and lose in the trenches didn't you get the memo? Regardless of Simeons personality he was a playmaker slick.
BodybuildingCardsFan
11-03-2009, 06:26 PM
Gandy is a stop-gap at this point, part of it is the decline with age, and the fact that even in his prime he was only average.
The people whining about Leonard Davis - the fact we misused him at OT for years when everyone knew he was a natural OG, especially after his rookie year was a crime.
Had we kept him at OG there was a chance he'd have made Pro Bowls here (instead of in DAL), and still be here. There is no question at all he'd be an upgrade over either starter we have now, and he's one of the best in the NFL at his position. He is easily on a short list that involves Hutchinson, and very few others.
The Curmudgeon
11-03-2009, 06:51 PM
If we were a running team (which I wish we were) I would agree with you guys about a guard, not as important with our game. Hutchinson makes A D go, but that is because the Vikes run the ball.
Simeon was a big time sack guy, not much of a run stopper. If you call a one trick pony a playmaker than I guess he was one.
BodybuildingCardsFan
11-03-2009, 06:53 PM
If we were a running team (which I wish we were) I would agree with you guys about a guard, not as important with our game. Hutchinson makes A D go, but that is because the Vikes run the ball.
Well, we are a team in the process of discovering we can run the ball. Davis would've helped to make that easier.
The Curmudgeon
11-03-2009, 07:08 PM
I think Sendlein is the weak link in the running game. Deuce and Levi can open up the right side.
He was the 2nd overall pick in the draft, you don't spend that for a guard. That is Left Tackle territory.
And that was Green's strategy. Ended up being a bust here, solid pick up for Dallas.
When you think about it, we are LUCKY to have a winning record and made it to the SB with how mediocre our line is..the DL and OL are the heart of a team, with a good line you can turn a mediocre offense or defense into a good one.
With a bad line you can turn a GREAT offense into a terrible one. You can survive with a bad line, which is the case with our offense, but you are playing with a handicap in doing so and you will have to put out more energy and skill and the margin for error is literally ZERO with a bad line.
The skill and ability on both lines determine wins and losses more than any other aspect of the team.
JMHO
The Steerlers didn't have much of a Oline as well, but Big Ben is able to run for his life pretty darn good.
I agree with this post though. There's a reason why the Giants have been so dominate. Thier Oline has been very solid, yet they still spent a 2nd rounder on Beatty last draft and now he's replaced McKenzie. Looked good against us as well.
If we were a running team (which I wish we were) I would agree with you guys about a guard, not as important with our game. Hutchinson makes A D go, but that is because the Vikes run the ball.
I disagree. If we of had Davis at guard, then drafting AP would of made much more sense, Edge may of been able to do much more here, or our current RBs could actually get some space and break some big ones. Whiz would actually call the run more often and this O would be so much more balanced.
TruCard
11-03-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm sorry but Gandy and Brown have both played horrible this year. I wonder what the deal is with Levi. I thought he turned the corner, but he looks above-average at best. Gandy the same. We better upgrade those positions if we plan to do anything. I don't blame Grimm one bit, but I think the line needs some tinkering done in my opinion.
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