How the times have changed

[Chicken Hawk]

Tbh I'd like to hear these comments from a guy in his prime choosing az over other places.

Vonnie has a valid point but at the same time when very few teams will give him a shot now what else would he say other than he'd easily play for az now

I had thought the same thing after reading that.

Vonnie didn't choose to come to AZ as much as he chose not to retire. He was traded here.

[Arizona]

To me, Whiz represents improvement.

Glad to see the article and I'm greatly looking forward to the season. Although I doubt we will be great, It's a pleasure to see continual movement and resolve towards better things.

[wit3card]

I don't know why the fans now try to bash on Whiz, 8 years ago not even one fan would have said that it would be mandatory to go .500, 8 years ago no one dreamed of a NFC West Champion title that was in range, that seemed doable, 8 years ago no one said that if our QB would play adequate we could win the SB, 8 years ago when someone would said in 2012 we are missing a reliable QB for a team that could make a Playoff run, everyone would have laughed at you.

Nothing has changed?
Whiz has to go if he fails with a QB?
Then he searches a new one but in the draft.

I don't get it people Ray Horten needs about at least 1-2 years to be ready as a Head-coach and till then Whiz will do his best, if he doesn't succeed probably we can talk about it.

[Tiz]

The other side is that Holiday had no reason to throw the 2003 Cardinals under the bus, but by doing so implied that the FO in 2012 has indeed changed the culture. He could have dodged the question of whether he really considered Arizona in 2003 with a simple "yeah, but in the end KC was a better fit." Instead he gave a blunt "no." No reason to do that unless he wanted to make a stronger point as to how much different the atmosphere is now. But yeah, time will tell. Then again, very few studs in their prime are allowed to hit Free Agency, so the pool is going to be very shallow.

I said there's no doubt about it but that others could better express that change and that's why I said I wish another player no has options said it.

Docket, fitz, aw, talking about the changes and how it's the reason they extend before becoming free agents is more impactful than the eldest guy on the block avoiding retirement.

In other words if mcnabb cited the change in culture as why he wants to play in az people like you would point out he just wants to play anywhere..,

[eyeshield21]

but Holliday WAS in his prime back in 2003 and he said bluntly he would not play for the Cardinals at that time. it does carry weight, he was a good FA at the time and i bet you if the franchise were still in the same sorry state as it was back then he would not come back today.

heck, even Peyton Manning flirted with us and we had somewhat of a chance to get him this offseason. that would not have happened in 2003. sure, Montana flirted with us but we all knew it was only a ploy to get more money. As small of a chance we had to get Manning, at least it was a real shot as we could have offered him the same money he got now. we couldnt do those things back in the day.

[Tiz]

but Holliday WAS in his prime back in 2003 and he said bluntly he would not play for the Cardinals at that time. it does carry weight, he was a good FA at the time and i bet you if the franchise were still in the same sorry state as it was back then he would not come back today.

heck, even Peyton Manning flirted with us and we had somewhat of a chance to get him this offseason. that would not have happened in 2003. sure, Montana flirted with us but we all knew it was only a ploy to get more money. As small of a chance we had to get Manning, at least it was a real shot as we could have offered him the same money he got now. we couldnt do those things back in the day.

Show me where I doubted it changed?
Now again what I said was that holiday saying it now and diluting the current status means virtually nothing because his options are az...retire.

It's easy to negate his opinion when you had rolle and dansby anxious to leave thusly the part about dd, fitz, aw in my last post.

[WVcardsFan]

Show me where I doubted it changed?
Now again what I said was that holiday saying it now and diluting the current status means virtually nothing because his options are az...retire.

It's easy to negate his opinion when you had rolle and dansby anxious to leave thusly the part about dd, fitz, aw in my last post.

Antrel Rolle and Karlos Dansby aren't exactly shining examples of "quality free agents."

I mean, what would happen if, hypothetically, Cory Redding and Jarrett Johnson were offered more money than they were worth to play somewhere else. If that were to ever happen, it wouldn't necessarily mean that free agents were clamoring to leave Baltimore. I mean, I realize that something like that would never happen, but.... oh wait.

[SmoothCARD_GA]

Antrel Rolle and Karlos Dansby aren't exactly shining examples of "quality free agents."

I mean, what would happen if, hypothetically, Cory Redding and Jarrett Johnson were offered more money than they were worth to play somewhere else. If that were to ever happen, it wouldn't necessarily mean that free agents were clamoring to leave Baltimore. I mean, I realize that something like that would never happen, but.... oh wait.

Yup, you hit it... Directly on the head...

[BigBHolmes]

great link


I doubt we would have gotten a P Manning type to come visit years ago

[One_Heartbeat]

For those that constantly bash on Whiz and the FO, take a look at this

http://arizonasports.com/60/1562151/John-Gambadoro

Holliday admits that coach whiz is the kind of coach players want to play for, and that in 2003 when he was a FA he said he would not have played for the Cards because of how different the FO mentality was back then.

That's great. Reminds me of 2003 when the Cardinals were embarrassing themselves, particularly on the road, and we heard a lot about how much the players loved Dave McGinnis. They loved him so much they got him fired.

Again, it's great that Holliday and presumably a lot of others love old coach Whis. But lotsa love and 5-11, 6-10, whatever, might find the guy they love on the outside looking in.

Evvibody want to take their talents to South Beach.


It's a shame that some of the grand old franchises of the NFL can't get out of the quicksand. The Dolphins haven't mattered since Marino left. The Browns haven't mattered since 'The Drive'. There's good talent on every NFL team, but shloppy quarterbacking seems to make a difference. The Lions blew until they got Stafford. The Colts blew until they got Manning. The Cardinals blew except for when certain QB's were here.

It matters. It will be interesting to see if Griffin and Tannehill can turn their teams around in the next year or so. Luck too. We have enough talent on our team to win it all this year, big time. We well go exactly as far as our up till now questionable quarterbacks can take us.

The Ravens blew until they got Trent Dilfer. Seriously, I agree 97.6% with what you're saying. But the Cardinals don't need the second coming of Kurt Warner or Neil Lomax to succeed, a better-than-average guy with a brain and a top 5 defense would look pretty good I'd think. Alex Smith was a journeyman at best until this idiot named Harbaugh showed up and created a winner, lockout and all.

Maybe what I'm trying to say is, winners win, losers say I need a quarterback.

Tbh I'd like to hear these comments from a guy in his prime choosing az over other places.

Vonnie has a valid point but at the same time when very few teams will give him a shot now what else would he say other than he'd easily play for az now

In the old days (pre-UOP stadium), the Cardinals were not an attractive free agent destination. So they had to pay what I call a lousy team premium to bring in guys in the twilight of their careers looking for one last big payday (Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons, Larry Tharpe or anyone represented by either Rob or Rex Ryan's agent, can't remember which). I don't think that's the case anymore. That said, your point is well taken.