The Kolb and Skelton are both garbage thread.

[TnTCardFans]

Time to stick a fork in this thread.

I get it. Some of you like Skelton, some of you like Kolb, some hate both, some are backing whoever looks better in camp.

Can anyone really say anything else trying to justify why they're right, that hasn't been said in the past 10 pages?????

How 'bout that battle for RT?? Man, thats a KILLER battle!!!

[SmoothCARD_GA]

I don't think Kolb is the answer either.

I think neither the 50% from Kolb nor 57% of Skelton are good in the 4th Quarter.

It's not about who you think is better, it's a matter of facts pure facts.

And pure facts say, neither of both are good, and yes i give you Skelton has the upside there.

60% in first half is ok, 53% in the second not. 50% in the first 3 QR is bad and 57% is not good is decent.

I say that Skelton isn't the answer and IMHO I think he want be the answer for our future.

And the question that you didn't answer is would you pick an other QB if you could.

And I think you would.

And with that said you can bring another million arguments that are sometimes outlandish at best, but the fact tells us, that neither one of this two QB will be our Franchise QB if they don't get instantly better.

What are aren't understanding with you is I'm looking at the possible player growth. And yes 57 percent isn't great in the fourth quarter. Nor is 53 percent in the second half for the other QB good. But I don't rule out player growth of either player. He is a young player who experienced good moments and bad. But he displayed enough when it mattered. I just happen to think his growth ceiling is higher than many think. He was a 5th rounder who was projected a lot higher but didn't have the polish. But he's been on par with bradford in terms of success on the field and has a better record as a starter at than. He was a guy with low technical skills of the game but high physical skills and a gritty style of playing. Any "solid physical skills but lack of proper instruction" type draft pick has a chance to blossom with proper instruction at the nfl level.

Pure facts tell that neither are these guys are pro bowlers but given both of their circumstances showed their upside. Im understanding enough to recognize that Rome wasn't built in a day.

Again I'm not sure if either guy is the "answer" but if I'm stuck with who has the better chance if you let him learn 16 games of its your rodeo, it's John.

You keep trying to bring the other QB Thing into play when the answer is simple. If there is someone that is significantly better, yes. Manning was there and I dont think anyone questioned that it would've been a great move. Would i draft a 1st round rookie? If neither shows himself to be capable of significant improvement and/or attribute to team success. But im not going to go after a carson palmer or a david garrard or any other middle teir qb that maybe better in the short term. But here's the true FACT of this debate. And it's the only true fact is these guys are all we've got right now. You a can ring the safety bell of neither is good to seem like you have no bias but only shows you have no idea about player improvement and how rapid it can be at times.

And you final phrase is yet another safe statement. I think common sense tells us they are part of the future if the don't get better. It's as if you think I feel they are at that point now. Designating a QB of the future doesn't mean you have a pro bowler, it means you feel the players overall upside is that of you are willing to bet his improvement will net big dividends in the future. Sometimes it's ugly before its pretty.

Time to stick a fork in this thread.

I get it. Some of you like Skelton, some of you like Kolb, some hate both, some are backing whoever looks better in camp.

Can anyone really say anything else trying to justify why they're right, that hasn't been said in the past 10 pages?????

How 'bout that battle for RT?? Man, thats a KILLER battle!!!

Isn't that the point of debating a hot topic?

[AzDiesel]

Time to stick a fork in this thread.

I get it. Some of you like Skelton, some of you like Kolb, some hate both, some are backing whoever looks better in camp.

Can anyone really say anything else trying to justify why they're right, that hasn't been said in the past 10 pages?????

How 'bout that battle for RT?? Man, thats a KILLER battle!!!

Feel free to exit stage left at any time. You aren't forced to be here. You aren't forced to even read this thread. If you want to debate the RT position, start a new thread.

Either way, I'm looking forward to tonight's game. I hope both (I'll be satisfied with one) do well. I'm as anxious as anyone to find out who the starter is going to be.

[wit3card]

What are aren't understanding with you is I'm looking at the possible player growth. And yes 57 percent isn't great in the fourth quarter. Nor is 53 percent in the second half for the other QB good. But I don't rule out player growth of either player. He is a young player who experienced good moments and bad. But he displayed enough when it mattered. I just happen to think his growth ceiling is higher than many think. He was a 5th rounder who was projected a lot higher but didn't have the polish. But he's been on par with bradford in terms of success on the field and has a better record as a starter at than. He was a guy with low technical skills of the game but high physical skills and a gritty style of playing. Any "solid physical skills but lack of proper instruction" type draft pick has a chance to blossom with proper instruction at the nfl level.

Pure facts tell that neither are these guys are pro bowlers but given both of their circumstances showed their upside. Im understanding enough to recognize that Rome wasn't built in a day.

Again I'm not sure if either guy is the "answer" but if I'm stuck with who has the better chance if you let him learn 16 games of its your rodeo, it's John.

You keep trying to bring the other QB Thing into play when the answer is simple. If there is someone that is significantly better, yes. Manning was there and I dont think anyone questioned that it would've been a great move. Would i draft a 1st round rookie? If neither shows himself to be capable of significant improvement and/or attribute to team success. But im not going to go after a carson palmer or a david garrard or any other middle teir qb that maybe better in the short term. But here's the true FACT of this debate. And it's the only true fact is these guys are all we've got right now. You a can ring the safety bell of neither is good to seem like you have no bias but only shows you have no idea about player improvement and how rapid it can be at times.

And you final phrase is yet another safe statement. I think common sense tells us they are part of the future if the don't get better. It's as if you think I feel they are at that point now. Designating a QB of the future doesn't mean you have a pro bowler, it means you feel the players overall upside is that of you are willing to bet his improvement will net big dividends in the future. Sometimes it's ugly before its pretty.

So wait a minute, i thought you meant that skelton should play the howl season because he IS THE FUTURE now it's looking that you are saying both can be the future but you are knowing that both didn't show it yet and you are confident that Skelton should be it.

For me if you are speaking from the standpoint of the "new" cardinals, it can't be we take the future with the less evil.

The FO the team and the fans should be aware that if they want a SB, and I last checked there where several that want it badly, we need a QB that atleast can compete at Bro Bowl level.

And from that viewpoint I don't can say I see it in Skelton's future with this style of offense. I can see it somehow with Kolb but not really, like i stated before, I think both QB don't are adequate for the Cards Offensive System, but both could be quite good in other systems.(it could also be that someone of the two gets the system and plays formidable but for now I didn't see anything that showed me that, don't get me wrong I hope for our team that one of them gets it)

[TruCard]

I have officially given Kevin Kolb his new nickname PICKMASTER. But you gotta say it with a jamaican accent, you know like from the movie, I Love You Man, slappin' da bass, Pickmasta!!!!!!

[Nathan]

I am now Team Skelton. Of course, I think Team Kolb just got injured and is out of the running.

[AztoCA]

Kolb no love for Skelton

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[eyeshield21]

Kolb no love for Skelton

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he just landed on that side of his body(the right side) so he wasnt going to stretch that side to give Skelton a tap.

if Kolb is injured for say 3 to 4 weeks just hand the job to Skelton and get it over with.

[McCollum,Travis]

I enjoyed watching the younger players.

Massie saw a lot of playing time. got desteroyed a few times. Potter looked good outside of his first snap.

[native az]

Kolbler looked lost and no one should be sold on Skelly at this point. Bartel should be cut by tomorrow and Lindley looks better than Skelly did in his first year.

Our QB situation this year is a cluster and I fear for the season.