D WASH better than Briggs

[TruCard]

I don't see how people can say that Lenon is just as good as Dansby because of their stat comparison. Thats foolish. I never watched Dansby get man-handled on run plays like Lenon does. Lenon gets to the ball and makes tackles but Dansby was clearly better against the run.

[sinsay]

It is my intention to respect each initial post.Fans need this as an outlet for their questions,comments,anxieties and enthusiasm. Most are interesting enough and some are quite thought-provoking. I accept the "will of the thread" to decide whether the topic is worthy or not.
But,it can get downright frustrating when the first reply goes off topic,never to return? Where's there any postings about the original topic? Are we only going to talk over one another?
Chicago's, Lance Briggs, plays outside in a 4-3 defensive scheme while No.58 plays inside in a 3-4 scheme. Briggs has 7-8 years of experience on DW in a matured defense where both he and Brian Urlacher play off the disruptions caused by Julius Peppers. Where's the comparison? How can you honestly compare them?
The original article is ludicrous,probably written by a fantasy football affecionado, and insulting to both men.
And, let's put Karlos behind us,please! He wanted to cash in on his 'SB cred' and is so far from No.24's attitude, I,for one am glad he is gone.He cannott poison the lockerroom and is paying for his choice by going from the penthouse to the basement.
A legitamate DW comparison is how he seems to be developing into a junior AW in both attitude and play.

How do they come up with a list of the top 100.
When they all play different postions let alone different defenses.
How do you pick a probowl or an all pro team. You look at production and skill set.

They were saying that the skill set of Washington along with his production that he very well may be better than Briggs.

So are you telling me we can't see that Brady is better that Matt Ryan because they run a different offense.

How about Peterson vs Wells or Fitzgerald vs Hakim Nicks.

Revis vs Toler
Mangold vs Lyle
CC vs Peppers
And the beat goes on.

[Ditship]

How do they come up with a list of the top 100.
When they all play different postions let alone different defenses.
How do you pick a probowl or an all pro team. You look at production and skill set.

They were saying that the skill set of Washington along with his production that he very well may be better than Briggs.

So are you telling me we can't see that Brady is better that Matt Ryan because they run a different offense.

How about Peterson vs Wells or Fitzgerald vs Hakim Nicks.

Revis vs Toler
Mangold vs Lyle
CC vs Peppers
And the beat goes on.

But there is a big difference between what is expected from a 4-3 OLB and a 3-4 MLB..

Just like your comparison to Peppers vs CC. A 4-3 DE and a 3-4 DE.. Completely different roles on the field.

I'm about 100% sure Peppers would be an OLB in our Scheme.

[rohinaz]

Did you somehow misinterpret my post as saying something negative about DW? Maybe read it again.

...and show me how Dansby is "clearly" better than Lenon...

no, I didnt think you said anything negative. I was just giving the cards a lot of credit for moving up in the draft and getting who they think will be an impact player. It was a homerun move. Especialy considering DW's size coming out of college was small to play the role.

But if you look at the big play ability of dansby with, 31 sacks, 33 passes defended, 11 interceptions, more tackels and he played in less seasons and games than lennon. Dansby had the speed to make tackles behing the line of scrimmage, i sen him make those plays many time. I have seen that out of lenon. Dasby also dropped into coverage well. He was a playmaker at MLB.

Im not saying lennon is bad, but hes not in the same league as Dansby. Washington, on the other hand, has that potential.

hes a flat out playmaker, here are some last year highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9weuFloKBsk

Hes just the one guy we let go that I really thought we should have kept.

[semperfiiwo]

While it may be valid to say that either DW or Briggs are interchangeable between the respective defenses, remember the expectations and responsibilities are different. If you are comparing talent, that's legit, but production is not because of what they're supposed to do.
Picking an All-Pro team is based on talent,leadership and production within their position group while the Pro Bowl selections are nothing more than a popularity vote. Is a players effectiveness always going to be a factor of numbers? or of effectiveness? DD is a perfect example on our D-line. The defense may limit his numbers but it highlights his effectiveness,especially in giving teammates opportunities.
You can compare Brady with Ryan because of similar Pro-style attacks but can you compare either with Vick or the Panther's phenom? They may all have similar production but arrive at it in different ways using dissimilar talent.
Comparing coaches or players in a top listing is just a hot-stove type discussion. It's about winning and how you use your talent better than the other guy. Whether it's Halas,Brown,Lombardi,Landry or any player comparisons it's about excelling at what you do and being versitle.
Certain positions beg for numbers comparison and I get that,but don't fall in the trap of dissecting football players like they're baseball players. Baseball fans can tell you how many times their guy scratches their head, but football is a game of blocking and tackling and intimidation and dominance and mistakes. Aeneas Williams was superlative but without the best numbers. But look how effective he was against Jerry Rice or that Cowboy's receiver?
Football is and always will be a team game so don't get caught up with numbers. Ask any Cardinal coach or player, it's all about winning,about putting it 'all on the field' for your teammates, not for yourself.

[sinsay]

While it may be valid to say that either DW or Briggs are interchangeable between the respective defenses, remember the expectations and responsibilities are different. If you are comparing talent, that's legit, but production is not because of what they're supposed to do.
Picking an All-Pro team is based on talent,leadership and production within their position group while the Pro Bowl selections are nothing more than a popularity vote. Is a players effectiveness always going to be a factor of numbers? or of effectiveness? DD is a perfect example on our D-line. The defense may limit his numbers but it highlights his effectiveness,especially in giving teammates opportunities.
You can compare Brady with Ryan because of similar Pro-style attacks but can you compare either with Vick or the Panther's phenom? They may all have similar production but arrive at it in different ways using dissimilar talent.
Comparing coaches or players in a top listing is just a hot-stove type discussion. It's about winning and how you use your talent better than the other guy. Whether it's Halas,Brown,Lombardi,Landry or any player comparisons it's about excelling at what you do and being versitle.
Certain positions beg for numbers comparison and I get that,but don't fall in the trap of dissecting football players like they're baseball players. Baseball fans can tell you how many times their guy scratches their head, but football is a game of blocking and tackling and intimidation and dominance and mistakes. Aeneas Williams was superlative but without the best numbers. But look how effective he was against Jerry Rice or that Cowboy's receiver?
Football is and always will be a team game so don't get caught up with numbers. Ask any Cardinal coach or player, it's all about winning,about putting it 'all on the field' for your teammates, not for yourself.

With that said D Washington may be better than Briggs.

[~Main Event~]

He'll get there, no doubt in my mind. One of the better moves the Cards did was trade up to get him

[Red Nailer]

He is better than Briggs and has so much gas left in the tank. Happy to read that people are taking notice.

[TruCard]

He is a rare breed that's for sure. When I first watched him play in college, he looked much bigger than what I found out later what he was actually listed. Now he's about 240-245 and he is probably the fastest LB in the game. Yes, faster than Willis.

[MattTodd89]

If Washington played for a more high profile team he would be regarded as a top 5 LB, which he is. In my opinion he will emerge as one of the best defensive players in the league at any position this season.