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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Theres very few who wouldnt be an upgrade Stanton
    Give us the very long list of backups who've been 6-3 or better over the past 3 seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Canuck View Post
    Give us the very long list of backups who've been 6-3 or better over the past 3 seasons.
    Stanton is a terrific backup QB on a team with a good starting QB. The cardinals after 2017 will be a team without a starting QB. We are also a team that is losing 4 possibly 5 starters on our D and may be starting to rebuild before Fitz and Palmers cap space is cleared.

    Stanton is only a good backup if you think 2017 is a year we can make a serious run. If it isn't, we may be better off with a potential future starter who may be worse as a backup QB. Stanton while a solid backup to a quality NFL QB is a luxury on a team looking for it's next QB of the future. Unless of course 2017 is a year we have a team capable of making a run. Otherwise it may be worth putting a potential QB of the future in Stanton's spot knowing that he might well be bad coming in if Palmer gets hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Theres very few who wouldnt be an upgrade Stanton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Canuck View Post
    Give us the very long list of backups who've been 6-3 or better over the past 3 seasons.
    Winning a game doesnt mean youre good. We went to the Superbowl with Levi Brown..


    Stanton was outplayed 3 consecutive preseasons by Matt Barkley, Phil Sims and Jake Coker ."Open competition" my ****.

    Matt & Phil especially would be significant upgrades over Stanton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganCards View Post
    This is worse than my Mark Sanchez qbof thread. RG3? Um yeah. Let's pretend that he's so bad Cleveland doesn't want him
    Lets pretend that the one year he was healthy on a mediocre team he didn't lead them to the playoffs and play competitively against a great Seattle defense until he got hurt. That Cousins in that same game was 3 for 10.

    RG3 did throw for over 65% completions in his rookie year. Did throw 20 TD with 5 Int's and has a great deep ball. He is also the only Cleveland QB last year that won a game. I wouldn't mind at all to have him sit behind Palmer and have Arians work with him for a year. The NFL has several examples of very talented guys who were destroyed on bad teams come back and play great. As an example Doug Williams and Jim Plunkett. RG3 has NFL skills. RG3 took a mediocre team to the playoffs as a rookie. RG3 has been in some of the worst situations a young QB can be in as a young QB. RG3 if he was coming out this year might well be the first pick in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Winning a game doesnt mean youre good. We went to the Superbowl with Levi Brown..


    Stanton was outplayed 3 consecutive preseasons by Matt Barkley, Phil Sims and Jake Coker ."Open competition" my ****.

    Matt & Phil especially would be significant upgrades over Stanton.
    Matt Barkley and Phillip Simm backup QB on the Roughriders? Seriously? Based on pre-season, seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Lets pretend that the one year he was healthy on a mediocre team he didn't lead them to the playoffs and play competitively against a great Seattle defense until he got hurt. That Cousins in that same game was 3 for 10.

    RG3 did throw for over 65% completions in his rookie year. Did throw 20 TD with 5 Int's and has a great deep ball. He is also the only Cleveland QB last year that won a game. I wouldn't mind at all to have him sit behind Palmer and have Arians work with him for a year. The NFL has several examples of very talented guys who were destroyed on bad teams come back and play great. As an example Doug Williams and Jim Plunkett. RG3 has NFL skills. RG3 took a mediocre team to the playoffs as a rookie. RG3 has been in some of the worst situations a young QB can be in as a young QB. RG3 if he was coming out this year might well be the first pick in the draft.
    RG3 is a victim of his own skill set. Since he got by with his legs for so long he refused to learn to stay in the pocket or avoid hits. His best bet is to age out of his legs so they aren't a temptation.

    I think Randall Cunningham was laying tile when he got a call from Denny Green in Minnesota. Again, I think he backed up Brad Johnson. The dude completely changed his game and threw for a rediculous number of TDs to Moss and Carter. Robert would be wise to give Randall a call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raze View Post
    RG3 is a victim of his own skill set. Since he got by with his legs for so long he refused to learn to stay in the pocket or avoid hits. His best bet is to age out of his legs so they aren't a temptation.

    I think Randall Cunningham was laying tile when he got a call from Denny Green in Minnesota. Again, I think he backed up Brad Johnson. The dude completely changed his game and threw for a rediculous number of TDs to Moss and Carter. Robert would be wise to give Randall a call.
    It's a great point about Cunningham. RG3 is also a victim of terrible management. I think sitting him down with a first class organization for a year could turn him around. He needs to buy in but it's tough to buy in if you've had success with doing it a certain way and go to organizations thats completely dysfunctional. They killed him in Washington by playing him hurt because he was successful and Cleveland is a mess. Arians might be a guy who could get him to buy in? It's a low risk high reward potential for both the Cardinals and RG3. The guy can throw accurately and throw the deep ball accurately. Arians might be able to do something with this kid. People forget that Palmer before he got hurt was a very mobile QB who threw on the run very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Matt Barkley and Phillip Simm backup QB on the Roughriders? Seriously? Based on pre-season, seriously?
    You could say the same about Kurt Warner on the Jets if going by that stupid "what X player did on another team" logic.

    It doesnt matter what somebody does somewhere else. What matters is what they do here. And Phil Sims was a stud for us and outright won the backup job. Matt Barkley also outplayed Stanton last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Stanton is a terrific backup QB on a team with a good starting QB. The cardinals after 2017 will be a team without a starting QB. We are also a team that is losing 4 possibly 5 starters on our D and may be starting to rebuild before Fitz and Palmers cap space is cleared.

    Stanton is only a good backup if you think 2017 is a year we can make a serious run. If it isn't, we may be better off with a potential future starter who may be worse as a backup QB. Stanton while a solid backup to a quality NFL QB is a luxury on a team looking for it's next QB of the future. Unless of course 2017 is a year we have a team capable of making a run. Otherwise it may be worth putting a potential QB of the future in Stanton's spot knowing that he might well be bad coming in if Palmer gets hurt.
    We are going to carry 3 QBs no matter what one thinks of 2017 and beyond.

    Stanton is both the best prepared to step in if need be now and the best mentor we have in uniform for a QBOF.

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