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    Quote Originally Posted by BirdGang View Post
    Why does it seem like that? What did I miss? Or is this just the only explanation we can think of for losing 1 of our best young defenders?
    On his 3rd (or is it 4th) team and it was mentioned by one of the insiders if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriS. View Post
    Full accountability eh?

    uncle An-us is still coaching special teams.

    That is simply an injustice to an organization that claims it wants to win.

    This kind of blind loyalty to "his boys" is what will be the undoing of Super Bruce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganCards View Post
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    any truth to it in your eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriS. View Post
    any truth to it in your eyes?
    I'd be fine if we had a good replacement for Amos. I refuse to call any of the coaches stupid names though because it's a bit immature and I respect the coaches too much. As far as BA keeping his guys I'm happy with it. He knows what he's doing and some would argue the enemy you know is better than the one you don't. Imagine getting rid of Amos and ending up with someone worse. Then again that's the argument people had about Ray Horton too. As far as my honest opinions go I'm in favor of believing that BA and SK know what they're doing. Besides this past year it's worked out for them. Let's just see what happens next year, I have no solutions. In the infamous words of Hamilton, "you spit I'll sit, we'll see where we land."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganCards View Post
    He knows what he's doing and some would argue the enemy you know is better than the one you don't. Imagine getting rid of Amos and ending up with someone worse.
    I totally get what you're saying. As I close in on the end of my 30+ year professional career, I have zero regrets about erring on the side of action vs. inaction / playing it safe once I decided that someone needed to go. So I was always willing to go with the ******* I didn't know if I had written off the ******* I did know. Granted the HR landscape has changed and canning someone is getting dang near impossible based solely on the merits of work performance. Of course the NFL is different. So that leaves us with the situation, Arians has chosen to stick with his BFF Jones and decided he's not the problem or he simply doesn't care. All well and good, but he has to be held accountable if we're looking at the ashes of another 8-8 type season with what we will be told again was the greatest darn roster that ever got printed on a game program, but blown up by a non-NFL caliber kicking game a la 2016. If I'm Mike Bidwill and there's a repeat of 2016 in 2017, with coverage units looking like fools while the opposition runs back kickoffs for TDs, punts to set up for game-winning FGs, Arians will have to answer for it (read: fired, or the more likely outcome, Arians retires, or Bidwill forces the issue and fires Jones himself, which will be a Pyrrhic victory since Arians would probably retire kicking and screaming).

    Bottom line, if the kicking game stinks in 2017 close to the stench it put off in 2016 I'm certain we've seen the last of Arians. Unless the offense and defense can somehow overcome it, which is unlikely.

    Disclaimer: All of the above is just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One_Heartbeat View Post
    I totally get what you're saying. As I close in on the end of my 30+ year professional career, I have zero regrets about erring on the side of action vs. inaction / playing it safe once I decided that someone needed to go. So I was always willing to go with the ******* I didn't know if I had written off the ******* I did know. Granted the HR landscape has changed and canning someone is getting dang near impossible based solely on the merits of work performance. Of course the NFL is different. So that leaves us with the situation, Arians has chosen to stick with his BFF Jones and decided he's not the problem or he simply doesn't care. All well and good, but he has to be held accountable if we're looking at the ashes of another 8-8 type season with what we will be told again was the greatest darn roster that ever got printed on a game program, but blown up by a non-NFL caliber kicking game a la 2016. If I'm Mike Bidwill and there's a repeat of 2016 in 2017, with coverage units looking like fools while the opposition runs back kickoffs for TDs, punts to set up for game-winning FGs, Arians will have to answer for it (read: fired, or the more likely outcome, Arians retires, or Bidwill forces the issue and fires Jones himself, which will be a Pyrrhic victory since Arians would probably retire kicking and screaming).

    Bottom line, if the kicking game stinks in 2017 close to the stench it put off in 2016 I'm certain we've seen the last of Arians. Unless the offense and defense can somehow overcome it, which is unlikely.

    Disclaimer: All of the above is just my opinion.
    Appreciate the HR recall, One_Heartbeat. Been there done that!

    About BA and 2016, I just don't see a repeat record nor something akin to .500. This team is better and knows it. But, I think the role of underachiever better fits the Cardinals anyway. When they do well, we're all grateful. When they are average or worse, many fan's expectations are sadly realized.

    It's clear to us that Amos Jones is not going anywhere soon. We're stuck with AJ, like that grouchy 40-year GS-5 that just won't retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganCards View Post
    I'd be fine if we had a good replacement for Amos. I refuse to call any of the coaches stupid names though because it's a bit immature and I respect the coaches too much. As far as BA keeping his guys I'm happy with it. He knows what he's doing and some would argue the enemy you know is better than the one you don't. Imagine getting rid of Amos and ending up with someone worse. Then again that's the argument people had about Ray Horton too. As far as my honest opinions go I'm in favor of believing that BA and SK know what they're doing. Besides this past year it's worked out for them. Let's just see what happens next year, I have no solutions. In the infamous words of Hamilton, "you spit I'll sit, we'll see where we land."
    I would imagine the chance of that would be really really small.

    What is much more clear is the special teams has sucked for two years.

    Can you imagine BB coming to the cardinals and seeing what the special teams have done. He'd have An-us's back side booted out of town very quickly. Why? because BB and winning coach's are accountable to winning. LIke any good organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriS. View Post
    I would imagine the chance of that would be really really small.

    What is much more clear is the special teams has sucked for two years.

    Can you imagine BB coming to the cardinals and seeing what the special teams have done. He'd have An-us's back side booted out of town very quickly. Why? because BB and winning coach's are accountable to winning. LIke any good organization.
    Meh there's a reason BB keeps winning super bowl after Super Bowl with new talent almost every year. It would be nice to have him instead. But I have faith in BA and our system. We'll figure it all out soon enough. I'd rather be wrong in believing so highly in BA than be right about him not being any good. Every coach was hired to be replaced but I stand confident and firmly believing BA will get us a ring or two before leaving.

    As for Amos Jones, the grass is always greener. I'm sure somewhere in the annals here you could find someone's comments about keeping Leinart as the starter over Warmer proving that change is good. But for every one of those posts there's a post saying let Stanton be our starter instead of Palmer. I'll even own up to saying that in the first half of 2013. This contradicts the Leinart posts and proves that change isn't always good. My point being in all of this is that there will ALWAYS be some demand for change. ALWAYS. We'll win a super bowl and miss the playoffs the next and someone will demand change. But I'm not someone who can make that call, and thank god I'm not. All I can do is stand in wait and support BA and love my team. I have no doubt we'll figure out everything and get back to winning. It's all in good time.
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    Fact is, Drew Butler was on this team for WAY too long, and that's someone's fault. Whether it Keim, Arians or Amos, someone needs to be held accountable for Butler being on this team for that long.

    I remember everyone on here hating his guts in the first Panthers loss(where we played Lindley). He was just a horrible punter and I can't understand how he lasted two more years here. It's absolutely mind-boggling.



    This will be the year that defines Bruce Arians career in Arizona. If it's another under .500 year and more circling the wagons around "his guys", then I will be ready to call for his job(as crazy as it seems). I sat through too many years of Whisenhunt and his, "we have the system, and if the players could just execute the system, we would win" nonsense. I will not sit by and have a coach week after week say, "we like our plan" and it continually result in losses.

    Now if we have an under .500 years and Arians talks about making majors changes, i would be okay with giving him 1 more year. I just don't want another year of him trying to protect his guys like whisenhunt did with Russ Grimm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KerryRhodes26 View Post
    Fact is, Drew Butler was on this team for WAY too long, and that's someone's fault. Whether it Keim, Arians or Amos, someone needs to be held accountable for Butler being on this team for that long.

    I remember everyone on here hating his guts in the first Panthers loss(where we played Lindley). He was just a horrible punter and I can't understand how he lasted two more years here. It's absolutely mind-boggling.



    This will be the year that defines Bruce Arians career in Arizona. If it's another under .500 year and more circling the wagons around "his guys", then I will be ready to call for his job(as crazy as it seems). I sat through too many years of Whisenhunt and his, "we have the system, and if the players could just execute the system, we would win" nonsense. I will not sit by and have a coach week after week say, "we like our plan" and it continually result in losses.

    Now if we have an under .500 years and Arians talks about making majors changes, i would be okay with giving him 1 more year. I just don't want another year of him trying to protect his guys like whisenhunt did with Russ Grimm.
    He's 41-22-1 in 4 regular seasons after inheriting a 5 win team. And that's with losing his starting QB for a chunk of a season to a blown knee (in addition to tons of other crushing injuries).

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