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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    What a joke. Guys like you were praising him in camp last summer and ignored the fact that he lacked experience. The knowledgeable fans here stated the obvious. We said he was inexperienced and you can't possibly be expected to be a converted RB and play one year at the position for your career and then expect to start at that position in the NFL. You assumed us naysayers were just being negative. And then he got exposed badly in the first two games and you geniuses were nowhere to be found. So when you are wrong, are you going to come back here and admit it. We know the answer to that.

    He has one year playing the position and was a huge reach in the 3rd round. He was notoriously bad and looked completely lost. Someone like him is drafted in the 6th or 7th round and sits on the bench for 2-3 seasons and learns. They usually play some nickel corner. They are not drafted with a team's second pick and then asked to start. I don't blame the kid. I blame the front office for putting him in a very bad position. If he was allowed to develop normally and truly learn the position and take his time, he might okay. Regardless, he is not ready to start next year. Keim focused on his athleticism not his skill set or experience and reached for him and then placed him in a difficult position. He is still not ready and anyone who thinks he is has no clue about football.
    Skepticism and sarcasm duly noted. Self aggrandizement also noted.

    Guess we find out this summer heh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    You will be when our second corner gets burned and we lose games.
    That happened all last season so whatever lol

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    Somebody needs to calm down.


    Cooper had an explosive start to his Cards tenure, but all-in-all, that guy was a 1st down magnet. He gives up ALOT ALOT of yards.


    whered he sign, the Bears? They will quickly discover that for every INT he gets, he gives up 2 TDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Somebody needs to calm down.


    Cooper had an explosive start to his Cards tenure, but all-in-all, that guy was a 1st down magnet. He gives up ALOT ALOT of yards.


    whered he sign, the Bears? They will quickly discover that for every INT he gets, he gives up 2 TDs.
    Was he a great cornerback? No

    Was he significantly better than Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams? Yes

    Was he relatively cheap to resign judging by the Bears contract? Yes

    Can you enter the season and seriously contend for a Superbowl with Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams splitting time at Corner #2? Absolutely not

    Could you have reasonably contended for a Superbowl with Cooper starting? Yes

    Have we allowed valuable players to leave via free agency that could have been resigned for cheap? Yes (see Dwight Freeney and Jeraud Powers)

    Did the departure of these free agents negatively impact the team? Yes (see 2016 season)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    Was he a great cornerback? No

    Was he significantly better than Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams? Yes

    Was he relatively cheap to resign judging by the Bears contract? Yes

    Can you enter the season and seriously contend for a Superbowl with Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams splitting time at Corner #2? Absolutely not

    Could you have reasonably contended for a Superbowl with Cooper starting? Yes

    Have we allowed valuable players to leave via free agency that could have been resigned for cheap? Yes (see Dwight Freeney and Jeraud Powers)

    Did the departure of these free agents negatively impact the team? Yes (see 2016 season)

    We led the league in sacks and we needed Dwight Freeney?

    Check out his stats in Atlanta.

    And Powers is now retired, which will give some idea how much he had left last season in Tenn.

    And the superiority of Cooper to a combo of Bethel and Williams is yet to be proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    Was he a great cornerback? No

    Was he significantly better than Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams? Yes

    Was he relatively cheap to resign judging by the Bears contract? Yes

    Can you enter the season and seriously contend for a Superbowl with Justin Bethel and Brandon Williams splitting time at Corner #2? Absolutely not

    Could you have reasonably contended for a Superbowl with Cooper starting? Yes

    Have we allowed valuable players to leave via free agency that could have been resigned for cheap? Yes (see Dwight Freeney and Jeraud Powers)

    Did the departure of these free agents negatively impact the team? Yes (see 2016 season)
    He wasn't significantly better than almost any CB in the league. He looked good early and was absolutely terrible the more he was exposed. You can't contend for a SB with him starting as you're no. 2 CB unless you're the Atlanta Falcons and torching teams on O.

    "Out of 120 qualified cornerbacks at Pro Football Focus, only six had worse pass-coverage grades than Cooper. Ideally, Cooper would be the Bears' No. 4 corner behind Tracy Porter, Prince Amukamara, and Bryce Callahan."
    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8641/marcus-cooper

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzGivinUfiTz11 View Post
    You have no idea what your talking about. No idea whatsoever. So what Williams had a rough start to his career. He got thrown to the wolves as a rookie, and was put on an island opposite the best cb in football. Of course teams were going to pick on him. He now has a full year of learning under his belt and for all you know hes been busting his *** all offseason to improve himself.

    But hey, mabey he should just read your post and retire from football. Cuz we all know that rookies dont improve. We also know that people on message boards are probably way smarter and have more football
    Knowledge than a 2 time coach of the year and top gm.
    He was a big time reach in the third round.

    He sure looked the part in pre season too. And the other poster is right, he never should have been put in the position he was. Lets see how mentally tough he is and how all the work he does translates into being productive. I'm pretty sure all NFL football players are working hard in the off season. Doesn't mean anything.

    I think Bethel has a better chance to finally settle into the position then Brandon does. I don't think Brandon will ever make his mark as a CB in this league.
    *disclaimer* This is merely a prediction I am making. I don't have crystal balls and I cant predict lottery winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    He wasn't significantly better than almost any CB in the league. He looked good early and was absolutely terrible the more he was exposed. You can't contend for a SB with him starting as you're no. 2 CB unless you're the Atlanta Falcons and torching teams on O.

    "Out of 120 qualified cornerbacks at Pro Football Focus, only six had worse pass-coverage grades than Cooper. Ideally, Cooper would be the Bears' No. 4 corner behind Tracy Porter, Prince Amukamara, and Bryce Callahan."
    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8641/marcus-cooper
    Cooper benefitted from playing opposite PP. Naturally he will have more balls thrown his way and more interceptions. I don't think he was much of a corner but considering our position at the time it was a good pickup.
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    walking away with a 6th round....let me go get some champagne .....

    .....snore.....

    They found a good CB and now they're back to Justin 'a failure at development' Bethel and a guy who never played CB, but has speed......

    It's easy to see where the hole in the Cards defense is.
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