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    Quote Originally Posted by One_Heartbeat View Post
    It's all just offseason speculation, but Arians burned up a ton of credibility after last year and he made no moves on his coaching staff where it mattered so to the extent there was an belief otherwise he owns it. I don't want him to retire, I want him to deliver the results he promises. After last year the honeymoon is over. It's all down to the numbers now, cool hats and cool uncle persona notwithstanding.

    Suffice to say if this team puts up a 7-9 or 8-8 it won't be all happiness around here and I'd bet dollars to donuts the same in Mike Bidwill's office. The pressure is intense, which is a good thing.
    He didn't fire Amos and I didn't expect him to after working with the guy since the 1980s. But now that we've changed K, P, long snapper, have Bethel back healthy, and picked up 5 draft picks who should be coverage special teams contributors and 3 with KR and PR experience, if we don't see an improvement from being bottom third in special teams that we've seen the last three years, there had better be a short leash.

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    Yeah last year was a real bummer, but wouldn't say he is on the hot seat this year because of it. If BA were let go he will get scooped up really fast by another team. Not many coaches can turn a team around like he has for the cards. So why would we. Fire him or let him go , because of last season? Haha good thing y'all ain't gms because those who.want Bruce gone would be gone themselves! Let see how this year goes to determine whether BA should be gone. Till then, GO CARDS, great job BA and way to pick the players Steve keim!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Heat View Post
    He didn't fire Amos and I didn't expect him to after working with the guy since the 1980s. But now that we've changed K, P, long snapper, have Bethel back healthy, and picked up 5 draft picks who should be coverage special teams contributors and 3 with KR and PR experience, if we don't see an improvement from being bottom third in special teams that we've seen the last three years, there had better be a short leash.
    Yep. By not canning Jones, Arians implicitly (if not explicitly with his periodic public knocking of players) stated that the kicking game fiasco was 100% a talent problem. With the moves you mentioned there will be no more mystery surrounding the situation. Can't wait until September to see how it all works out. I'd love to be wrong about Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosEPh_II View Post
    You're really starting to worry me DH. Are you drinking from the debbie downer cup now too?

    Those that already do are always trying to pass it around as something other than it really is, beware the blight that blinds.

    JosEPh
    Oh I'm still a Cardinals board optimist but that doesn't mean calling out issues where I see them.

    I won't stop complaining about our lack of a short yardage back and using the run game to clock manage. About throwing end zone fades to short fast guys. About 4 years of embarrassing special teams play. About Keim sometimes being that guy on your fantasy team who falls in love with some prospect and taking him three rounds early, of Arians' loyalty (a good thing) sometimes going to far and biting him in the butt (Butler, Amos, his alma mater QB Logan Thomas). It's nit-picking and I love the BASK era but I'll still call em as I see em. You only have 16 regular season games, and if that nit-picking could lead to one extra win it's important. Special teams was a huge one last year. With better special teams I believe we go to the playoffs in 2016.

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    If not for the Cards lucking into Palmer (one of the greatest one-sided trades in NFL history), BA would already be gone. Of course, never know what might have changed had we not traded for Palmer---would Cards selected someone like Derek Carr in search of a QB?

    For the sake of discussion, assume Cards went with Stanton as our starter.

    I don't see Stanton as rising above .500. Don't forget that until Palmer arrived, Stanton was going to be the starter with BA blowing smoke that Stanton could lead us to a ring.

    With a string of .500 seasons topped by last year's stinker, MB and SK would have no choice but to move on from BA.

    Fans and BA both need to count your blessings that CP was discarded by the Raiders and the Cards were able to trade for him.
    Last edited by Canyonram; 05-21-2017 at 02:01 PM. Reason: speeling ear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    If not for the Cards lucking into Palmer (one of the greatest one-sided trades in NFL history), BA would already be gone. Of course, never know what might have changed had we not traded for Palmer---would Cards selected someone like Derek Carr in search of a QB?

    For the sake of discussion, assume Cards went with Stanton as our starter.

    I don't see Stanton as rising above .500. Don't forget that until Palmer arrived, Stanton was going to be the starter with BA blowing smoke that Stanton could lead us to a ring.

    With a string of .500 seasons topped by last year's stinker, MB and SK would have no choice but to move on from BA.

    Fans and BA both need to count your blessings that CP was discarded by the Raiders and the Cards were able to trade for him.
    We do count our blessings.

    As to Stanton, the only thing we know is that he's gone 6-3 as a backup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Canuck View Post
    We do count our blessings.

    As to Stanton, the only thing we know is that he's gone 6-3 as a backup.
    CP gets taken for granted and hammered for his play in the Carolina game. I think his injured finger had him trying to perform at less than full health.

    Also, I am pretty harsh on Stanton---you're right regarding his record as a Card's starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    CP gets taken for granted and hammered for his play in the Carolina game. I think his injured finger had him trying to perform at less than full health.

    Also, I am pretty harsh on Stanton---you're right regarding his record as a Card's starter.
    Palmer was awful in that game, but dozens more players were awful or close to awful. The only exception was, guess who, David Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One_Heartbeat View Post
    It's all just offseason speculation, but Arians burned up a ton of credibility after last year and he made no moves on his coaching staff where it mattered so to the extent there was an belief otherwise he owns it. I don't want him to retire, I want him to deliver the results he promises. After last year the honeymoon is over. It's all down to the numbers now, cool hats and cool uncle persona notwithstanding.

    Suffice to say if this team puts up a 7-9 or 8-8 it won't be all happiness around here and I'd bet dollars to donuts the same in Mike Bidwill's office. The pressure is intense, which is a good thing.
    Bruce Arians burned up probably all of his CoftY credibility with that sub-500 stinker in '16. No matter what happens on the field this next football season, the FO top to bottom remains well-managed, and for now the coaching staff has continuity. The former bodes well if Bruce has a repeat of '16 in '17. I am more concerned about a major coaching staff disruption, that IF Bruce doesn't deliver a playoff team that goes deep run into the postseason he will call it a career in January. At some point, health trumps all else in life and death. And Bruce has a poor health history. If Bruce walks, then MB and SK will have to find a replacement HC and I certainly don't see an insider standing around that can quickly assume the Cards HC role.

    Lastly, Bruce Arians has been fired from about 6-7 jobs. I'm sure that he's not concerned about performance pressure coming from MB and SK. Bruce puts more pressure on himself to win than an owner or GM can muster. And, even when Bruce has done well during a college HC job and later at pro assistant coach jobs, the axe still came down on his neck. Quick dismissal comes with an NFL coaching job.

    Just wondering, who would be the ideal BA replacement? Any suggestions? There's probably just a handful of "A" level brains at the OC and DC level that fit in the MB and SK lifestyle. If BA is fired or retired, I don't see any current NFL HCs accepting the Cards HC job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    CP gets taken for granted and hammered for his play in the Carolina game. I think his injured finger had him trying to perform at less than full health.

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    The old "finger injury" is so lame and often repeated.

    CP has so many excuses for his playoff failures. I've heard it all: "tough cornerbacks", "bad weather" "bad relationships with coach" "being checked out already". "everyone played bad". blah blah blah.

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