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    Quote Originally Posted by LuisRoc View Post
    Vikings keep bradford we trade for bridgewater, or they release him and we sign him.lol. garrapolo, glennon probably
    If Bridgewater can play, Vikes will keep him, meaning Bradford will be available.

    If Bridgewater can't play, Vikes will try to re-sign Bradford and Bridgewater is useless.

    Cards fans need to root for Brad Kayaa this off-season to pull a 2012 Russell Wilson and make the Lions realize their best bet at contending is a cheap franchise QB for 5 years and a pink slip for $25M Stafford (playing the role of Matt Flynn.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVcardsFan View Post

    Cards fans need to root for Brad Kayaa this off-season to pull a 2012 Russell Wilson and make the Lions realize their best bet at contending is a cheap franchise QB for 5 years and a pink slip for $25M Stafford (playing the role of Matt Flynn.)
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    No acknowledgement of Smith's performance in the NO-SF playoff game.

    What other QB out there has playoff experience and has actually won 2 playoff games that may be available to the Cards?

    Palmer's record/performance with Cincy and Raiders was less impressive than Smith with SF and Chiefs. I'm giving a nod to BA and his collection of old dude coaches to maximize Smith's performance.

    Falcons and Matt Ryan froze in the Superbowl and the Pats staged one of the greatest comebacks in NFL history and on the biggest stage. Would you not take Ryan as your QB based on that game? (For the knuckheads out there, I'm not comparing Smith to Ryan. My comparison is that they both lost critical games.)

    I never said that Smith would come at a very low price. I did say that moving up to get a college QB in the next draft will cost plenty of future draft picks and/or vet players. Of course Smith is still under contract and Cards would have to make an offer---but it would be much less than a boatload of draft picks to move up to the top of the draft (I'm assuming Cards will get to at least .500 this year).
    Palmer is far better than Smith particularly when he was on Cincy. If you compare their career's it's an epic mismatch in Palmers favor. Smith best year he threw for 3313 yards and 23TD's. Smith has never been asked to do what Palmer has done anywhere. Go back and look at the years Palmer actually started and was healthy for Cincy. Smith has never had a comparable year, Smith has never been asked to carry his team in either SF or KC.

    As far as Matt Ryan. He had a great game in the SB. In fact he put his team in position to win the game with an incredible throw under pressure. Here's what happened when they were in FG range to ice the game. Minus 1 rushing yards. Sacked with no shot for a 12 yard loss. Under pressure he put the ball on Sanu that may have put them back in FG range. Unfortunately there was a holding penalty that killed the drive and forced a punt. Ryan played a hell of a game. NE D played a hell of a second half and Brady was great. Matt Ryan was great, NE was better. Atlanta's coaching staff choked. Not that different than what happened to Seattle against NE. Sometimes the other team makes plays in this case the Pats destroyed the Atlanta O-line down the stretch of that game. Ryan in spite of the pressure put his team in position to win. The throw to Jones was a game winner. Switch HC and that game was over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Palmer is far better than Smith particularly when he was on Cincy. If you compare their career's it's an epic mismatch in Palmers favor. Smith best year he threw for 3313 yards and 23TD's. Smith has never been asked to do what Palmer has done anywhere. Go back and look at the years Palmer actually started and was healthy for Cincy. Smith has never had a comparable year, Smith has never been asked to carry his team in either SF or KC.

    As far as Matt Ryan. He had a great game in the SB. In fact he put his team in position to win the game with an incredible throw under pressure. Here's what happened when they were in FG range to ice the game. Minus 1 rushing yards. Sacked with no shot for a 12 yard loss. Under pressure he put the ball on Sanu that may have put them back in FG range. Unfortunately there was a holding penalty that killed the drive and forced a punt. Ryan played a hell of a game. NE D played a hell of a second half and Brady was great. Matt Ryan was great, NE was better. Atlanta's coaching staff choked. Not that different than what happened to Seattle against NE. Sometimes the other team makes plays in this case the Pats destroyed the Atlanta O-line down the stretch of that game. Ryan in spite of the pressure put his team in position to win. The throw to Jones was a game winner. Switch HC and that game was over.
    Kyle Shanahan admitted as much in an interview a few days ago on Mike and Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer719 View Post
    Kyle Shanahan admitted as much in an interview a few days ago on Mike and Mike.
    People also forget that NE let up the least amount of points in the NFL last year. Under 16 per game. They aren't just Brady. They have a great bend don't break D that always comes up with plays as the field shrinks. They always tend to give up yards but not points. The NE D had begun to dominate that game in the second half and the Atlanta coaching staff failed to take that into consideration when the field that needed to be defended had gotten a lot smaller after the completion to Jones.
    Last edited by Biggs; 05-24-2017 at 08:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Palmer is far better than Smith particularly when he was on Cincy. If you compare their career's it's an epic mismatch in Palmers favor. Smith best year he threw for 3313 yards and 23TD's. Smith has never been asked to do what Palmer has done anywhere. Go back and look at the years Palmer actually started and was healthy for Cincy. Smith has never had a comparable year, Smith has never been asked to carry his team in either SF or KC.

    As far as Matt Ryan. He had a great game in the SB. In fact he put his team in position to win the game with an incredible throw under pressure. Here's what happened when they were in FG range to ice the game. Minus 1 rushing yards. Sacked with no shot for a 12 yard loss. Under pressure he put the ball on Sanu that may have put them back in FG range. Unfortunately there was a holding penalty that killed the drive and forced a punt. Ryan played a hell of a game. NE D played a hell of a second half and Brady was great. Matt Ryan was great, NE was better. Atlanta's coaching staff choked. Not that different than what happened to Seattle against NE. Sometimes the other team makes plays in this case the Pats destroyed the Atlanta O-line down the stretch of that game. Ryan in spite of the pressure put his team in position to win. The throw to Jones was a game winner. Switch HC and that game was over.
    Palmer: 7 years with Cincy, W46-L51
    2 years with Oakland, W8-L16
    Prior to signing with the Cards, Palmer was 54-67 as a starting QB

    Smith: 7 years with SF, W38-L36
    4 years with KC, W41-L20
    Going into 2017, Smith is 79-56 as a starting QB

    In games with other teams, Smith 23 games over .500 as a starting QB in 11 years; Palmer 13 games under .500 in 9 years. Might be a good idea to take into account the W-L stats as a starting QB when comparing QBs.

    My point by mentioning Ryan---even though he was the QB in a losing SB game, he is still a QB you'd want on your team. Smith was the losing QB vs Giants in a playoff game and is somehow to blame and not given consideration as a QB for the Cards; Ryan 'lost' a SB but is excused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Canuck View Post
    Given that we'd be, if I understand your banging on correctly, a 8 or better team with Smith, when exactly do we pay the piper and draft our QBOF?
    Why not do both and groom the young Qb ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbirdfan62 View Post
    Why not do both and groom the young Qb ?
    I was responding to last paragraph of post #91.

    Gabbert, if serviceable, would be a cheaper "bridge" QB and it wouldn't necessitate the playbook or personnel adjustments with bringing in Captain Checkdown.

    Then, we should invest the draft capital to acquire the QBOF. (Imo)

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    If Gabbert shows anything it will be him. For some reason Cousins wants to go the San Fran and Detroit will hold onto Stafford (reports are the two are in contract talks with Stafford wanting to stay)

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ford-contract/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    Palmer: 7 years with Cincy, W46-L51
    2 years with Oakland, W8-L16
    Prior to signing with the Cards, Palmer was 54-67 as a starting QB

    Smith: 7 years with SF, W38-L36
    4 years with KC, W41-L20
    Going into 2017, Smith is 79-56 as a starting QB

    In games with other teams, Smith 23 games over .500 as a starting QB in 11 years; Palmer 13 games under .500 in 9 years. Might be a good idea to take into account the W-L stats as a starting QB when comparing QBs.

    My point by mentioning Ryan---even though he was the QB in a losing SB game, he is still a QB you'd want on your team. Smith was the losing QB vs Giants in a playoff game and is somehow to blame and not given consideration as a QB for the Cards; Ryan 'lost' a SB but is excused.
    You are kidding with this? You do realize that the Bengals and Oakland when Palmer was there were two of the most dysfunctional organizations in football when Palmer was on them. Kapernick actually took virtually the same team Smith had further than Smith did and he is essentially out of the league. When Brady went down BB got 10 wins out of Cassel and made him a very rich man.

    Your entire premise that we should get Smith is based on Andy Reid and John Dorsey making a decision to trade him. KC is a solid football organization with a team ready to win now. If they decide to dump Smith, that says it all. Andy Reid runs the Alex Smith friendly system. Dorsey has built a team based on running the football and D. Very much in the mold of the 49ers team that soured on Smith. If these two decide to move on from Smith, the idea that we should get him in order not to take a shot at a young QB by giving up picks for him is insane.

    There's a lot I don't love about Palmer. One thing I will say, Smith would never have seen the field if he and Palmer were both on the same team and healthy during their NFL career's. Palmer with all his flaws is miles better than Smith.

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