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    Default 49ers scored more points per game on average

    .. and had a better won/loss record under Gabbert the past two seasons, than under Kaepernick. That's the bottom line, how well the team performs, not that they were great with either at QB. But they scored more on average and gave up fewer on average with Gabbert guiding the ship. That seems to get overlooked when the politically correct crowd starts sputtering about what a victim Squidward is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardCore View Post
    Sounds like what you would LIKE to say is this: No one is perfect no matter how good they are at their job. Regardless of that fact, I want to piss and moan about BASK not taking Wilson, who was passed over by every team twice and surprised even Carroll by actually beating out Flynn.

    You REFUSE to accept the fact that Kap SUCKS at standing in a pocket and delivering long passes with any accuracy whatsoever. It's not JUST that either. Here's an example of what you get with Colin: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/...eave-receivers

    I will give you this. Drafting Logan Thomas displayed the same myopic mindset that Kaepernick displayed in the above clip. They had made up their mind what they were going to do, and when Prescott was right there for the taking, they stuck to their stupid plan.


    I said what I wanted to say and always do so don't try and put words in my mouth. Meanwhile you can continue to try and downplay Kaps performance as though that (his performance) is the real issue all you want....but in doing so.......all you're showing is that facts don't matter as much as your own personal opinion which you continue to try and pass off as fact. That's the only "refusal". Furthermore, to accuse the experts of being dumb for decision making only makes you and your assessments look dumber, especially given someone with BA's QB track record and coach of the year awards. Finally when you say "I'll give you this", I would like to try and give you something in return but you haven't brought much with you for me to credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RimrockCard View Post
    lol..That 4 second clip shows you everything you need to know about Kap
    forget his politics ,forget his running..The Rams knew who he was

    Looks to me like what the Rams knew was where the play was going, not about some lack of respect for Kap. Judging from the wide receiver's frantic attempt to get Kap's attention at the bottom of the screen, it appears to me that he (Kap') is at fault for not reading the defense and calling an audible (assuming he had that option). That happens to every QB in the league at some point which is why a sack can occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert ethan View Post
    .. and had a better won/loss record under Gabbert the past two seasons, than under Kaepernick. That's the bottom line, how well the team performs, not that they were great with either at QB. But they scored more on average and gave up fewer on average with Gabbert guiding the ship. That seems to get overlooked when the politically correct crowd starts sputtering about what a victim Squidward is.
    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/2...ichael-bennett

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...rs-starting-qb

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    LOL, you going with more mouthy garbage from a blatant racist like Bennett on Bleacher Report and SB Nation. Keep it classy.

    How about this from a mixed race player who isn't popping off to the press every time the camera lights up - http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francis...lin-kaepernick

    Either way, the TRUTH OF WHAT I SAID IS OUT THERE. Look it up if you doubt it, but don't bother me with ** from the likes of Bennett. Or Steven Smith, or Shaun King, or all the other gaping holes going "Waaa! Waaa! Waaa!" in unison. The sport we follow is football. Loyalty is supposed to be to team, regardless of the racial composition, or political leanings of the team. Kaepernick shat on that and took an entire organization down the craphole with him. Out of spite because he wasn't the big man in the facility any longer. For NO OTHER REASON, regardless of how he tries to spin it now. He cared less about social justice causes until he got kicked to the sideline, then he decided to make it a race issue because he was losing the football issue. Garbage. That's why all the league execs despise him, nothing to do with his squatting. He came out and said he wouldn't do it once his injury guaranteed $18 million per year stopped flowing in. After he scammed the team with the private doctor from Colorado ordered injuries, he would have had to kill Jed York in the middle of the field at halftime to lose the money. Even that wouldn't be a given.

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    Chip Kelly made the change after the playoffs were out of the picture for the 9ers. They were 1-4 under Gabbert and went 1-10 under the social justice warrior, which is more or less what he wanted. He was in the first year of a 5 year deal, and he thought he was bullet proof after the 9ers fired coaches in back to back seasons previously. He came from Philly with a reputation of being something of a racist. Sooooo.... the option was obvious. Go with the "black" QB (actually the only connection Kap had with being "black" in his life was a drive by deposit from some anonymous stranger. He was raised as whitebread suburban as Gabbert or anyone reading this board.) get rid of the the racist monkey on his back, lose a bunch of games and maybe draft a QB he could call his own with a top pick. The other aspect was that he was in a power struggle with Baalke who hated Kaepernick all the years he was there and wanted to go with Gabbert and dump Kap. The only thing Kelly had full control over was who dressed for the games, and obviously who started. He used that to try to leverage Baalke out and get his close friend Tom Gamble as G.M. Jed York just got sick of it all and fired everyone. But it'll be years before the 9ers recover from the mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonram View Post
    Possible reason that the Cards have not drafted or even stuck with a practice squad QB. When BA retires (or fired), SK will bring in the new coach and together they will go after the QB that matches the new playbook. That's is what happened when SK brought in BA.

    BA had Stanton tag along and together they dug up Palmer off the Raider scrap pile. At the time, the Raiders were also running a chuck-it-deep vertical passing game with Palmer.

    Best case scenario will be to bring in a new HC who pulls a QB who already knows that playbook. The OC for the Pats and Garrap?
    That's not correct about Oakland running a chuck it deep vertical passing game. CP's top target was his TE, second was Marcel Reese his fullback. His top receiver was denarius moore at 51 catches (and only 14.5 yds per catch) and heyward-bey had 41. Darren McFadden had 42 and he was hurt part of the year.

    If you are going to throw stuff out there, at least check your work. It's obvious you didn't watch a single raider game in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhammer View Post
    I said what I wanted to say and always do so don't try and put words in my mouth. Meanwhile you can continue to try and downplay Kaps performance as though that (his performance) is the real issue all you want....but in doing so.......all you're showing is that facts don't matter as much as your own personal opinion which you continue to try and pass off as fact. That's the only "refusal". Furthermore, to accuse the experts of being dumb for decision making only makes you and your assessments look dumber, especially given someone with BA's QB track record and coach of the year awards. Finally when you say "I'll give you this", I would like to try and give you something in return but you haven't brought much with you for me to credit.
    Doesn't change the fact that that's 100% what you were saying.

    The only one here making a "dumb" assessment is you for acting like Kaepernick would fit here like a glove. Even when you have absolutely nothing that backs that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmerCardinal View Post
    That's not correct about Oakland running a chuck it deep vertical passing game. CP's top target was his TE, second was Marcel Reese his fullback. His top receiver was denarius moore at 51 catches (and only 14.5 yds per catch) and heyward-bey had 41. Darren McFadden had 42 and he was hurt part of the year.

    If you are going to throw stuff out there, at least check your work. It's obvious you didn't watch a single raider game in 2012.
    I think they wanted a deep game, but the burners they drafted, (like Heyward-Bay) were completely unreliable. It's not so different from the Cards last year, with Fitzgerald averaging less than 10 ypc, and the RB being second leading reciever. DJ caught more balls than Brown and Nelson combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert ethan View Post
    I think they wanted a deep game, but the burners they drafted, (like Heyward-Bay) were completely unreliable. It's not so different from the Cards last year, with Fitzgerald averaging less than 10 ypc, and the RB being second leading reciever. DJ caught more balls than Brown and Nelson combined.
    Yes. Hugh Jackson was very familiar with Carson Palmer (recruited him in college and was coordinator with him in Cincy) and got him to Oakland to continue the vertical passing game via Palmer's big arm. Up to that Oakland trade, Palmer had his best year with Jackson as OC in Cincy. Hugh Jackson traded for Palmer for the very same reason BASK jumped on him when Oakland went through yet another firing cycle and got rid of Jackson.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...innati-bengals

    Hugh Jackson believes in the vertical passing game---see his success developing Andy Dalton when Jackson was OC with Cincy. And, as RE points out, sometimes you don't get what you want when other players don't perform. But Hugh Jackson + Carson Palmer = vertical passing game.
    Last edited by Canyonram; 06-10-2017 at 09:30 PM. Reason: Added link to Palmer to Oakland trade

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