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    Quote Originally Posted by WVcardsFan View Post
    By the metrics, the '16 Cardinals were a Super Bowl contender. Just shows how a disastrous ST unit can submarine a team with one of the deepest and most talented rosters in the NFL.
    Agree completely, which is why I think all of the debate about offense and defense is pretty much a waste of time until we know whether the kicking game fiasco has been sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVcardsFan View Post
    By the metrics, the '16 Cardinals were a Super Bowl contender. Just shows how a disastrous ST unit can submarine a team with one of the deepest and most talented rosters in the NFL.
    Yep......very true brother as we saw.

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    For what it is worth. Well written article. The writer is spot on regarding the roster break down, but I disagree about the power ranking position. Power rankings this early in the year don't have much merit, but that being said the article is a good over all summery regarding the teams talent.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ona-cardinals/
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    Palmer is getting venerable and I certainly can't expect last season to have his doubters eating any words. With that said, this article does smack of some overly simple analytics. Let's face it, any team with a QB over the age of 28 who doesn't have a ring or two "needs to find a new, young QB" according to the general consensus. When Palmer was traded to the Cardinals you probably could have won a lot of bets if you would have dared to say he'd have a single winning season here. The fact that he lasted more than a season or two here probably surprises a lot of people.

    The guy has been "washed up" in public opinion since 2010 or so and every few years a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott will show up and make everyone think that franchise QBs just fall out of the sky and any QB over 28 should get out of the way and let the new face of the team take over. Personally, I find people's perceptions of QBs to be fascinating. It seems like they hate to see guys they know, but they also love to ridicule fans of teams like the Browns/Texans/Jets who get to see 3+ QBs get tossed into the fire to "see what they have in them" every year. Wacky.

    As for the article, who knows. Palmer could hit a wall this year, but who saw 2015 coming either? Bonus points to the Seahawks fan who brags about how the Seahawks own the division and Palmer is a pretend good QB. The guy has a winning record against what is supposed to be an invincible team, geez...not bad for a bum.
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    Last year PFT's Week 1 rankings had the Broncos at #1 and Panthers at #2. Cardinals were #5, and had dropped a spot or two from mid-summer power rankings like this one.

    22-25-1 combined records, no playoff games between those three.

    So we dropped from 3-5 down to 22nd, because Palmer is old now and we lost Campbell and Jefferson and Minter (but have young Gunter/Nkemdiche, new FAs Bethea and Dansby who both led their respective teams in tackles, some exciting new rookies at ILB and S and WR, and a re-vamped ST).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nately120 View Post
    Palmer is getting venerable and I certainly can't expect last season to have his doubters eating any words. With that said, this article does smack of some overly simple analytics. Let's face it, any team with a QB over the age of 28 who doesn't have a ring or two "needs to find a new, young QB" according to the general consensus. When Palmer was traded to the Cardinals you probably could have won a lot of bets if you would have dared to say he'd have a single winning season here. The fact that he lasted more than a season or two here probably surprises a lot of people.

    The guy has been "washed up" in public opinion since 2010 or so and every few years a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott will show up and make everyone think that franchise QBs just fall out of the sky and any QB over 28 should get out of the way and let the new face of the team take over. Personally, I find people's perceptions of QBs to be fascinating. It seems like they hate to see guys they know, but they also love to ridicule fans of teams like the Browns/Texans/Jets who get to see 3+ QBs get tossed into the fire to "see what they have in them" every year. Wacky.

    As for the article, who knows. Palmer could hit a wall this year, but who saw 2015 coming either? Bonus points to the Seahawks fan who brags about how the Seahawks own the division and Palmer is a pretend good QB. The guy has a winning record against what is supposed to be an invincible team, geez...not bad for a bum.
    Agree! Wilson and Prescott would not be who they are IMO if they would have fallen into a different situation playing for a team that has little talent. Would Brady be who is if he started his career playing on a team like Cleveland? All Qb's need support to succeed at this level. The Cards have a good D and a balanced O and a reliable new kicker. If Palmer can stay healthy, I see little reason why Palmer can't succeed playing at a high level like he did in 2015.

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