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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTimeFan View Post
    I've finally figured it out! Thanks WV!. What BA is saying is that "it ain't my fault we suck" because I just coach, along with my other coaches. SK is responsible for getting me players and because these ST players suck, it is SK's fault that our ST unit is ranked dead last in the league. If Amos had better players, our ST would be better. Never mind this has been happening for several years with no adjustments or corrections from the coaching staff.
    I think most likely, the way Tomlin threw him under the bus scarred him. And a man who had always been loyal, and then was completely given the shaft by a back-stabbing, lying HC, decided right there that he would never do that to one of his coaches.

    The criticism against Amos Jones is fair, IMO. Doesn't take much to see how badly the ST unit has cost Arizona. The game Sunday turned on a series where a 3-and-out by each team flipped field position by 65 yards! in the Rams favor because of shoddy ST play by the Cardinals.

    I just don't think, good or bad, that it is in Arians' DNA to fire one of his coaches.

    I DO think that private discussions will take place in the offseason, and it would not surprise me if Jones is not on the staff in 2018. And it will be spun as something other than a "firing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVcardsFan View Post
    I think most likely, the way Tomlin threw him under the bus scarred him. And a man who had always been loyal, and then was completely given the shaft by a back-stabbing, lying HC, decided right there that he would never do that to one of his coaches.

    The criticism against Amos Jones is fair, IMO. Doesn't take much to see how badly the ST unit has cost Arizona. The game Sunday turned on a series where a 3-and-out by each team flipped field position by 65 yards! in the Rams favor because of shoddy ST play by the Cardinals.

    I just don't think, good or bad, that it is in Arians' DNA to fire one of his coaches.

    I DO think that private discussions will take place in the offseason, and it would not surprise me if Jones is not on the staff in 2018. And it will be spun as something other than a "firing."
    You could be right! However, BA needs to remember this is a "cold-hearted" business where if you don't perform, you don't stay around very long. Amos has overstayed his welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaojin View Post
    That’s a pretty telling coment coming from Wolf. If he is throwing subtle daggers, which he basically never does, it shows just how bad the situation is.
    The public conversations are not too supportive of BA now. He's certainly earned all criticism for some poor play calls through the first 12 games. The next 4 games probably won't change that tone either. That dull sound only adds to the speculation that BA will call it a career soon after year 2018 begins. Heck, the BA finale could happen sooner too, like at the NYG FO this week. When the Owner says it's time to move on, then move out.

    So, put me down for a fat D grade for beloved HC and former CofTY. I think BA could have done much better with the players and play-calling the past three months. He just didn't get the job for many reasons. His cotery of supporting coaches also leaves much, much to be desired. Heck, I'm not sure half the assistants can even find their way to UofP without the HC's help. The whole bunch are good fellas, I'm sure, but also sub-par NFL coaches as we know now. Some are the worst mentoring talent in the League.

    I don't hold BA responsible for the severe rash of injuries and IR mess. Johnson's IR really hurt coming out of the gate. Then Palmer got thumped in game 7. Key player injury is a problem for 75% or more of teams now. But, losing over half of the season's games two years in a row is a bigger problem and that must be fixed.

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    [QUOTE=KerryRhodes26;1189807] In typical Wolf form, he defended the coaches.

    Others have made similar remarks in the past, so this is not meant to be critical.

    It apparently is not well known that Wolfley is on the Cards' payroll as a radio play by play analyst.
    It is logical to assume he will not go out of his way to bite the hand that feeds him, even if he might
    have personal opinions he does not feel free to express.


    For those who must have proof to accept anything as being correct:
    http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff.html
    (scroll down to Broadcasting)
    Last edited by Knobby; 12-05-2017 at 07:08 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Knobby;1189940]
    Quote Originally Posted by KerryRhodes26 View Post
    In typical Wolf form, he defended the coaches.
    Quote Originally Posted by KerryRhodes26 View Post

    Others have made similar remarks in the past, so this is not meant to be critical.

    It apparently is not well known that Wolfley is on the Cards' payroll as a radio play by play analyst.
    It is logical to assume he will not go out of his way to bite the hand that feeds him, even if he might
    have personal opinions he does not feel free to express.


    For those who must have proof to accept anything as being correct:
    http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff.html
    (scroll down to Broadcasting)
    And at the very top of the chart is William V. Bidwill. How do you know he isn't still calling the shots?
    Bidwill.jpg

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    [QUOTE=Herr Eickhorn;1189951]
    Quote Originally Posted by Knobby View Post
    [B][I]

    And at the very top of the chart is William V. Bidwill. How do you know he isn't still calling the shots?
    Bidwill.jpg
    True, William (Bill) is team Owner and Chairman. But there is no conspiracy, collusion, or controversy. He likely has no management role at all in the franchise business. We all know that Michael, aka President, runs the show now. I doubt William reads and signs anything except maybe the beverage tabs at high-roller resorts. When was the last time William appeared in the public and said anything of substance regarding NFL football matters or the Cardinals franchise? William is 86yo today (he turns 87 next July, 2018). I'm 100% okay thanking this Owner for enjoying his golden years and retirement.

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    [QUOTE=Herr Eickhorn;1189951]
    Quote Originally Posted by Knobby View Post
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    And at the very top of the chart is William V. Bidwill. How do you know he isn't still calling the shots?
    Bidwill.jpg
    Ah yes, a conspiracy from the concealed puppet master !!

    Good one.

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    [QUOTE=PUTMEIN;1189953]
    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Eickhorn View Post

    True, William (Bill) is team Owner and Chairman. But there is no conspiracy, collusion, or controversy. He likely has no management role at all in the franchise business. We all know that Michael, aka President, runs the show now. I doubt William reads and signs anything except maybe the beverage tabs at high-roller resorts. When was the last time William appeared in the public and said anything of substance regarding NFL football matters or the Cardinals franchise? William is 86yo today (he turns 87 next July, 2018). I'm 100% okay thanking this Owner for enjoying his golden years and retirement.
    Well, if there was conspiracy and collusion, this is exactly what the organisation would say.

    bidwill 2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerryRhodes26 View Post
    This is going to be a long last four games of the season.


    I see another month of Arians circling the wagons and saying that "the scheme works" and "all we have to do is execute and we will be successful."
    I hope we lose all 4. Its time for a change. The fans gotta make their voices heard. This is unacceptable every year. Last year was bad but this year is just terrible
    "It's OUR Time"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JagNCard225 View Post
    This is unacceptable every year.
    Having ten important starters hurt? Yeah I guess you could say "unacceptable."

    Most rational people would use other words. But why should we expect any rational thought on this board?

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