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    Honestly I am not picking on you PUTMEIN haha

    Quote Originally Posted by PUTMEIN View Post
    I think if Steve Wilks was the #1 candidate, he'd be the ARI HC already. Since he's not the HC by now, my money is on someone else as #1, probably Shurmur. This process could drag out a few more weeks.
    I disagree on Wilks. From the start I think they were going to take their time on it. Everyone thought Wilks was nailed on to be the Giants HC and that now looks less likely to be the case which means the Cardinals can bide their time a little.

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    If true, I really hate to lose James Bettcher. He's molded a mostly effective ARI defense scheme in 3 years and the stats prove it. He did pretty good with the players available.

    But if the new HC brings in his own DC, and JB walks, Vic Fangio is not an upgrade, in my opinion. VF is probably a step backward. His resume doesn't impress me.
    Again I disagree. Bettcher (to me at least) seems to have been put on some sort of pedestal as a great DC and I think he exemplifies mediocrity. We were 19th last season in points scored against us, stop the run/stop the pass all you like but teams put points up when playing this D. This is backed up by the scoring ranges, 6 teams put up 30+ points on us (one of which was a Tom Savage led Texans team....), 5 teams 20-29 and 5 teams 0-19, that doesn't make for good reading at all. Also look at the lack of turnovers this D created last year, 15 interceptions and 6 fumbles ranks us joint 23th, only 6 teams were below us. This is a D which has been heavily invested in for a number of years, we have a round 1 draft pick on the DL, 2 round 1's at ILB, 2 round 2's at OLB, a top 5 corner, one of the highest paid safeties, a 2nd round safety, some well paid vets in Branch and Bethea. Lastly the eye test is what I always go by, Bowles created an elite D when he was here, he went toe to toe with the opposing OC and the majority of the time he won those battles. As a coach he had the ability to make OK players good and good players great. Can we really say the same about Bettcher? I haven't seen it. A terrible analogy but screw it, we gave Bettcher all the ingredients to make a banquet fit for a king, instead he used the pig and did a hogroast instead. Everyone went home full and enjoyed the night, but nobody is going to writing home about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Honestly I am not picking on you PUTMEIN haha



    I disagree on Wilks. From the start I think they were going to take their time on it. Everyone thought Wilks was nailed on to be the Giants HC and that now looks less likely to be the case which means the Cardinals can bide their time a little.



    Again I disagree. Bettcher (to me at least) seems to have been put on some sort of pedestal as a great DC and I think he exemplifies mediocrity. We were 19th last season in points scored against us, stop the run/stop the pass all you like but teams put points up when playing this D. This is backed up by the scoring ranges, 6 teams put up 30+ points on us (one of which was a Tom Savage led Texans team....), 5 teams 20-29 and 5 teams 0-19, that doesn't make for good reading at all. Also look at the lack of turnovers this D created last year, 15 interceptions and 6 fumbles ranks us joint 23th, only 6 teams were below us. This is a D which has been heavily invested in for a number of years, we have a round 1 draft pick on the DL, 2 round 1's at ILB, 2 round 2's at OLB, a top 5 corner, one of the highest paid safeties, a 2nd round safety, some well paid vets in Branch and Bethea. Lastly the eye test is what I always go by, Bowles created an elite D when he was here, he went toe to toe with the opposing OC and the majority of the time he won those battles. As a coach he had the ability to make OK players good and good players great. Can we really say the same about Bettcher? I haven't seen it. A terrible analogy but screw it, we gave Bettcher all the ingredients to make a banquet fit for a king, instead he used the pig and did a hogroast instead. Everyone went home full and enjoyed the night, but nobody is going to writing home about it.
    Sorry Bettcher doesn't impress you much. He used the players signed by Keim. I don't dispute your facts though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
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    Again I disagree. Bettcher (to me at least) seems to have been put on some sort of pedestal as a great DC and I think he exemplifies mediocrity. We were 19th last season in points scored against us
    You realize that this is only because of a non-existent offense right? AZ has a had a top 5 D every year under Bettcher

    With that said I don't want him as as HC either

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    NBC and it's hacks at Pro Football Talk advise Shurmur not to take the Arizona Cardinal Head Coaching job.

    http://www.nbcsports.com/video/pat-s...-cardinals-job


    What a bunch of weaklings. They say Shurmur should pass because the Cardinals will not be as good as the Rams or Niners
    What a joke! That is his job to make the team better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLCardinalFan View Post
    NBC and it's hacks at Pro Football Talk advise Shurmur not to take the Arizona Cardinal Head Coaching job.

    http://www.nbcsports.com/video/pat-s...-cardinals-job


    What a bunch of weaklings. They say Shurmur should pass because the Cardinals will not be as good as the Rams or Niners
    What a joke! That is his job to make the team better.
    I`m pretty sure they are telling the truth...we don`t even own a QB..
    The Big A era begins..../ends on.1/1/2018..Thanks for the memories

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    Quote Originally Posted by RimrockCard View Post
    I`m pretty sure they are telling the truth...we don`t even own a QB..


    We will mark my word!


    i'm a homer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLCardinalFan View Post
    NBC and it's hacks at Pro Football Talk advise Shurmur not to take the Arizona Cardinal Head Coaching job.

    http://www.nbcsports.com/video/pat-s...-cardinals-job


    What a bunch of weaklings. They say Shurmur should pass because the Cardinals will not be as good as the Rams or Niners
    What a joke! That is his job to make the team better.
    He took a job with the Browns for Pete’s sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Heat View Post
    He took a job with the Browns for Pete’s sake.


    Glad these clowns are not the GM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    As said from the beginning, all options will be underwhelming. BA was the most entertaining coach ever. Its all downhill from here. Next guy will be a boring slug in comparison.

    Also, considering Keim likes hiring old guys, I knew we werent getting a young, Mcvay innovator. Itll be another old guy, retread.


    With all that said....Shurmur is a fine choice.

    Of the reported interviews (all underwhelming) whos better? Munchak, Wilks, Patricia, Flores?

    Of all of them, Shurmur is the only one who has produced 2 winning offenses.



    I do still like Wilks. That guy looks like a born HC. He has a very authoritative presence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZAxuxS0bI
    Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I wasn't all that entertained by Arians' schtick. Especially when it moved into the theater of the absurd.... "extremely, extremely well", then the episode about how it was his fault his team lost to someone named Tom Savage, then it wasn't. Rex Arians wore me out. Now I wish he would just keep his mouth shut about Bettcher being the best guy, but I understand he's auditioning for a media job and his best chance to get one is to keep up the Rex Arians persona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Main Event~ View Post
    I've been saying it would be underwhelming long before Bruce retired. When a team retains a coach that goes 1-15 followed by 0-16, it says a lot about the names you know are about to be on the coaching market.

    If you're gonna get a coordinator from the Vikings why not get the guy who has them sitting at number 1 in total D and points allowed as opposed to the guy who has already flopped as a head coach? That's my beef.
    I think that's the Browns brass being unable to admit that they are a complete disaster, instead of admitting that the last two plus years have been a waste of time from the top down, it's a signal that "they're close" and it's not all bad. The Browns are the one team that thinks Jackson is NFL head coach material. The Browns reside at the far end of the bell curve.

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