View Poll Results: Which players to let go?

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  • CB Justin Bethel

    41 70.69%
  • SS Tyvon Branch

    10 17.24%
  • QB Drew Stanton

    41 70.69%
  • WR Jaron Brown

    14 24.14%
  • WR John Brown

    36 62.07%
  • RB Kerwynn Williams

    4 6.90%
  • ILB Karlos Dansby

    33 56.90%
  • CB Tramon Williams

    3 5.17%
  • G Alex Boone

    10 17.24%
  • RT Earl Watford

    11 18.97%
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Thread: Cut Him or Keep Him Poll

  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Canuck View Post
    Name the 'best' teams that follow your crash and rebuild scenario or go all-in in FA in a CAP limited League?
    To be fair the best teams are consistently in the playoffs and won championships. We have been to the playoffs twice in 5 years. Championships remembered by living fans have to be looked up in history books. The better question might be if you're a consistently bad enough team to not make the playoffs most of the time in a league where if your slightly better than mediocre you make the playoffs, what is the best strategy to become one of the best teams. My guess is the first thing is to have a great owner followed by great football management.

    One of the problems with being one of the best teams is mediocre ownership is constantly raiding your football management. One of the usual suspects will end up with most or all of the coaching jobs that are available. That you can count on.

    Even the historically great organizations like Pittsburgh and SF have had long rides at the top before crashing and having to rebuild their management and teams. The NY Giants have been at the top several times before crashing and having to rebuild management and their teams. NE was one of the few organizations that fired their management when they were mediocre enough to be a playoff team to upgrade management. It wouldn't shock me if Cleveland revamps their management they may turn around very quickly because of all their young top picks. Hard to know. Certainly the greatest show on Turf was built by losing teams and stockpiling draft picks only to luck into a good coaching staff and grocery bagger for a SB run.

    For a team like the Cardinals with their history and ownership, there is no formula. I doubt the Cardinals ownership has a formula for rebuilding to a championship level if they did they would have done it. We are going to have to luck into the next great HC and draft really well. Were going to have to train our players better so they can actually stay on the field and be productive. Luck and a more holistic approach to taking care of the players is probably what it's going to take to "rebuild".

    I suspect we might have a bit more luck if we were drafting higher.

  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign TE Gresham to a lucrative contract when he hasn't done a single thing. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    If you're gonna criticize Bethel and Gresham deals that's fine but Mathieus contract was 100% earned. That guy turned in a DPOY season after his 1st ACL injury so yes paying him after he was playing for pennies coming out of the draft (no signing bonus) so why would they be reluctant after he clearly played at an elite level the 1st time? Them not being able to pay Calais didn't have anything to do with Mathieu, it's because they added Chandler and essentially had to pick one

    They brought back virtually the same team from the NFC title game aside from Rashad Johnson all the people you repeatedly complain about like Freeny's weren't playing on the roster next year because the pass rush was upgraded it was the special teams that sucked

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