View Poll Results: Which players to let go?

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  • CB Justin Bethel

    41 70.69%
  • SS Tyvon Branch

    10 17.24%
  • QB Drew Stanton

    41 70.69%
  • WR Jaron Brown

    14 24.14%
  • WR John Brown

    36 62.07%
  • RB Kerwynn Williams

    4 6.90%
  • ILB Karlos Dansby

    33 56.90%
  • CB Tramon Williams

    3 5.17%
  • G Alex Boone

    10 17.24%
  • RT Earl Watford

    11 18.97%
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Thread: Cut Him or Keep Him Poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVcardsFan View Post
    Who are you going to bring in at FS that's younger/cheaper than the $5M you save by cutting Mathieu?
    Some commenters...a shocking number of them...can’t ever seem to wrap their heads around the realities of the salary cap, contracts and dead money. The simple fact is we would not find a better safety for the $5 million we could actually save, nor could we likely spend it better at any other position, AND it would cause havoc in a locker room where he is by all reports loved. The general fan base would not be amused either. It’s not about $19 or $14 million in 2018. It’s about $5 million. Talk to me again in 2019.o

    It’s also generally foolish to then move on to “well a new contract or a re-structure then”. This only works when there is the possibility of actually being cut AND then not finding high compensation elsewhere. Like Bethel a while back. Guys who risk actually being cut, and finding the NFL doesn’t value them as highly as their posse does, and come back with a new attitude and their tails behind their legs begging for a vet minimum salary. That’s not the position HB is in.
    Last edited by Dry Heat; 01-09-2018 at 04:14 PM.

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    Why would anyone want to cut Tramon Williams. He played well and made our defense respectable.

    Funny to see so many finally wake up to reality and stop drinking the Kool Aid on Justin Bethel. I don't want to hear any more nonsense about Justin Bethel being a starter or "not that bad"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Heat View Post
    Some commenters...a shocking number of them...can’t ever seem to wrap their heads around the realities of the salary cap, contracts and dead money. The simple fact is we would not find a better safety for the $5 million we could actually save, nor could we likely spend it better at any other position, AND it would cause havoc in a locker room where he is by all reports loved. The general fan base would not be amused either. It’s not about $19 or $14 million in 2018. It’s about $5 million. Talk to me again in 2019.o

    It’s also generally foolish to then move on to “well a new contract or a re-structure then”. This only works when there is the possibility of actually being cut AND then not finding high compensation elsewhere. Like Bethel a while back. Guys who risk actually being cut, and finding the NFL doesn’t value them as highly as their posse does, and come back with a new attitude and their tails behind their legs begging for a vet minimum salary. That’s not the position HB is in.
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign TE Gresham to a lucrative contract when he hasn't done a single thing. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    Last edited by cardinalsDO; 01-09-2018 at 04:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign Gresham to a contract. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    Name the 'best' teams that follow your crash and rebuild scenario or go all-in in FA in a CAP limited League?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    I think criticizing $7M/apy for Gresham is fair. Other than that, what "bad" player was overpaid and who was "allowed to walk?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign TE Gresham to a lucrative contract when he hasn't done a single thing. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    HB was quite recently in the conversation for DPOY and did you know he played more snaps this year than any other defensive player?

    I agree on Gresham...bad contract.

    I think you give way to much weight to early first round draft picks in relation to franchise success.

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    cardinals Well said

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign TE Gresham to a lucrative contract when he hasn't done a single thing. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.

    Well said and deserves repeating, IMO.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    I'm glad you wrote this because you represent the mentality of most Cardinals fans who do NOT get it. What you fail to understand is there is no benefit by being mediocre. You are better off having a horrible record and having the opportunity to draft a top QB and other top players. It's foolish to have enough talent to keep yourselves out of contending for the best talent in the draft but not enough to get you in the playoffs. If you are going to rebuild, then you rebuild. If you are going to contend, then you are all in. The problem with the Cardinals front office is they don't do either well. We are not bad enough to draft Peyton Manning but we are not good enough to get in and contend in the playoffs. We come off an NFC champ. game and enter the next season but cutting key players and getting actually worse in the offseason (pure foolishness).

    For us to truly take it to the next level, you don't keep inflated salaries like Mathieu on the roster. I don't need to find someone as good for 5 million in the short term. The idea is to cut salary and dead weight so you can contend in the future and load the roster with talented players who will contribute. Honey Badger is injury prone and his contribution has been lackluster. He hasn't been the same player and is grossly overpaid. He was given a terrible contract AFTER he injured his ACL; money that would have been better spent on Calais Campbell among others. You don't give Justin Bethel a 3 year 15 million contract when he hasn't done anything to prove himself. You don't sign TE Gresham to a lucrative contract when he hasn't done a single thing. We have overpaid for bad players and allow players that contributed to walk.
    I agree with this impart...in no way take this as an endorsement of the festering Keim hate that seems to be eating away at your very soul.
    Any big ugly contracts that were awarded since the NFCCG were ill advised ,it was all there to see for anyone who`s goal is a SB WIN,,,This was not the unit to achieve that goal
    water under the bridge.....so as much as it kills me ...CardDO is on the right track... IMO...anything else is another decade of mediocre
    The Big A era begins..../ends on.1/1/2018..Thanks for the memories

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    Drew Stanton is honestly one of the best back up QBs Cardinals have ever had.

    What's his record as a starter?
    Last edited by ZOna_Style; 01-12-2018 at 07:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOna_Style View Post
    Drew Stanton is honestly one of the best back up QBs Cardinals have ever had.

    What's his record as a starter?
    The most pricey too i would bet
    The Big A era begins..../ends on.1/1/2018..Thanks for the memories

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