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    Quote Originally Posted by JosEPh_II View Post
    I really appreciate the emphaisis that is put on this aspect of future NFL players by the Cards org..

    But to say Reddick was a wasted pic, No. It was unfortunate for Reddick and the Cards that Golden got hurt early. That shifted the whole D. So Reddick had to play a position that he had not trained for during the OTAs, Mini Cs, and Preseason for. Playing out of his assigned original position because of another players injury. Yet he's deem a "bust" by those that always think the grass is greener someplace else.
    Nail on the head. Thanks for posting this.
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    I just can't understand how someone squanders these once in a lifetime opportunities.

    Talking about dudes like foster and D wash (among many others)

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    just goes to show you cant really tell about a guy until he in the league...EVERY year there is some guy who messes up his life by doing stupid things...fake bomb threats, firearm incidents, drug/alcohol abuse, physical violence...its even more ludicrous when you know that the nfl holds meetings with rookies led by players-chris carter for one-warning them about these type of pitfalls.

    and ill bet a lot that if Elliot plays well for cowboys this year jerry jones will not care at all about his past behavior as long as he isn't in jail.

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    I said clearly stay away from Foster.

    I liked the Reddick and Baker picks and said so at the time.

    What tipped the scale towards Keim drafting these hard working humble players?

    It was watching Robert Nkimdeche from his previous year draft dog it all year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulldogsCards View Post
    Give him a year or 2. Draft picks often take 2-3 years to evaluate. We haven't even played a season in Wilks system and people are already throwing Keim, Reddick under the bus. Be patient. Keim's drafts are still materializing going back 2 years. Let's see what happens because people just don't know. They're not a pro athlete, there are not a professional scout.
    This might have been true in years past but nowadays I think you should more immediate results from your 1st and 2nd round picks, especially on the defensive side of the ball. The QB position is the only one I can realistically see taking a few years to settle in after the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Curmudgeon View Post
    I was astounded last year when our Cards selected Reddick over Reuben Foster. Keim nailed that one http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...estic-violence
    Another Keim apologist. This is just another way to rationalize a bad pick. It wasn't Foster vs Reddick. There were many other candidates who would have been a better fit. And Reddick had multiple red flags. He played at Temple against weak competition. There were doubts that he would be able to deal with the physicality of bigger defenders and how that would impede his speed.

    Keim did his usual. He fell in love with his speed and focused primarily on that to the exclusion of everything else. He thought he was getting a steal assuming he was the poor man's version of Von Miller. He was being cute and thought he was outsmarting everyone else by reaching for Reddick. It was a wasted pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    Another Keim apologist. This is just another way to rationalize a bad pick. It wasn't Foster vs Reddick. There were many other candidates who would have been a better fit. And Reddick had multiple red flags. He played at Temple against weak competition. There were doubts that he would be able to deal with the physicality of bigger defenders and how that would impede his speed.

    Keim did his usual. He fell in love with his speed and focused primarily on that to the exclusion of everything else. He thought he was getting a steal assuming he was the poor man's version of Von Miller. He was being cute and thought he was outsmarting everyone else by reaching for Reddick. It was a wasted pick.
    Nailed this one on the head. There were still better options over Reddick. For Keim to have won this first round and get an A+ it is clearly not because he passed on Foster. It would have been more like moving up a spot and getting Deshaun Watson or one of the many better players we could have gotten than Reddick. The Keim koolaid is spiked and very alive and strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    At best Reddick will be a Deone Bucannon type player. Good. Never a star.


    Reddick was a bad choice, not a bad pick in himself. He wasnt the BPA nor was LB a dire need. We couldve had:

    Malik Hooker, who looked every bit the ballhawk he was touted as.

    Jon Allen, who looked really really good pre-injury.

    Tre'davious White, who was one of the best CBs in the NFL, even as a rookie

    Not to mention we couldve moved up within 3 spots and taken:

    Marshon Lattimore, who already looks like a future HOF'r

    Patrick Mahones

    Or everybodys favorite, Deshaun Watson


    Thats 6 far better picks we couldve made
    Deone has been injured the last 1.5 years. Prior to that, the NFL was basically changing defenses and adding a new position thanks to him. Maybe Deone wasn't and won't quite be a "star", but he's somewhere in between good/really good and a star when healthy. Deone was a good pick. I think Reddick will turn out to be as well. Some ****** on here are way too quick to write players off. Questioning Nkemdiche after 2 years is fair. I still wouldn't write him off, but he's got 1 year left top do something. Questioning guys like Reddick or DJ Humphries one year in is just silly and setting yourself up to look like you jumped the gun. Have some longer term perspective and it will serve you well, especially with young players adjusting to the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAngelG View Post
    I just can't understand how someone squanders these once in a lifetime opportunities.

    Talking about dudes like foster and D wash (among many others)
    Not defending D Wash, but he doesn't deserve to be in the category of Foster. First, as a player, Wash accomplished far more than Foster ever will. Second, as a criminal, Wash was basically a irresponsible pothead that once had an altercation with his girl where she was hurt when he pushed her in trying to get away from her after she threw a potted plant at him and defrauded him from seeing his child and blackmailed him for money. No excuse for laying hands on a woman and hurting her, but pushing her isn't comparable to Foster hitting a woman 10 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardinalsDO View Post
    Another Keim apologist. This is just another way to rationalize a bad pick. It wasn't Foster vs Reddick. There were many other candidates who would have been a better fit. And Reddick had multiple red flags. He played at Temple against weak competition. There were doubts that he would be able to deal with the physicality of bigger defenders and how that would impede his speed.

    Keim did his usual. He fell in love with his speed and focused primarily on that to the exclusion of everything else. He thought he was getting a steal assuming he was the poor man's version of Von Miller. He was being cute and thought he was outsmarting everyone else by reaching for Reddick. It was a wasted pick.
    Why would he have thought that, given that he was drafted to play next to DBuc inside and was forced outside with the Golden injury?

    A "wasted pick" after one season is a ludicrous assumption.

    (And it was CERTAINLY Foster vs Reddick for many on this board because they knew we were selecting an inside, not an outside LB.)
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